Blues vs Crusaders

[Duluth]

Isn’t it weird how Blues fans criticise Pulu for constantly being a retard?

[Bones]

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

It's not deliberate. Are you saying every forward pass is deliberate now? That's a penalty. And lineouts, where the tap down goes awry and ends up going forward? Penalty.

[Machpants]

@Duluth said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Isn’t it weird how Blues fans criticise Pulu for constantly being a retard?

That is an insult to retards, with that play

[antipodean]

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

Under that ruling, every knock on is deliberate.

You might want to learn the laws. A player in possession can knock on ffs.

[antipodean]

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

It's not deliberate. Are you saying every forward pass is deliberate now? That's a penalty. And lineouts, where the tap down goes awry and ends up going forward? Penalty.

I guess if you can't deal with the issue at hand you can always come up with your own red herrings.

[Kirwan]

Weird feeling, with a better ref we would have had that. Still lots for us to work on, but far better than last year

[gt12]

The good news is that the blues have the talent to win a few games, including NZ derbies. The bad news is that they still have players trying to win the game with some fantastic ‘one-off’ play, rather than trusting their systems and making better decisions. If they had a better HB and better FB I think they’d have won that game. Or a goal kicker, of course.

[Machpants]

Well compared to the pile of rust, and then the defence-less cripple fight of yesterday, this game was great. Very much enjoyed it, result as expected but much better from the blues than all of last year

[hydro11]

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

Under that ruling, every knock on is deliberate.

You might want to learn the laws. A player in possession can knock on ffs.

Right but if a player in possession loses it they didn't catch it and the ball didn't go backwards. So if those are the only two criteria, every knock on is deliberate. If you include possession as a third criteria you still have every knock on not in possession as a penalty (which seems stupid). Good passing shouldn't give the opposition a chance. Going for intercepts is an important defensive tool and part of the balance of rugby (IMO).

[Bones]

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

It's not deliberate. Are you saying every forward pass is deliberate now? That's a penalty. And lineouts, where the tap down goes awry and ends up going forward? Penalty.

I guess if you can't deal with the issue at hand you can always come up with your own red herrings.

How is that a red herring? Player attempts to play it back, it accidentally goes forward. Definite penalty.

But I guess if you can't deal with the issue at hand you can make snide comments and ignore it.

[Hooroo]

@Kirwan said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Weird feeling, with a better ref we would have had that. Still lots for us to work on, but far better than last year

The fucking ref?!?? That means for everything he got wrong for blues you need to give points where he got it wrong for red team.

It was your shit first five that could not win the game for you not the ref.

[sparky]

The two players who most impressed me were Akira Ioane and Joe Moody, superb committment throughout.

[Siam]

Well done crusaders. Away NZ conference points are gold.

Won the game against the new you beaut Blues without playing all that well.

[Tim]

@gt12 Yep, tight five depth (tighthead prop), halfback, and fullback.

[antipodean]

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

Under that ruling, every knock on is deliberate.

You might want to learn the laws. A player in possession can knock on ffs.

Right but if a player in possession loses it they didn't catch it and the ball didn't go backwards. So if those are the only two criteria, every knock on is deliberate.

The matter in hand is defenders knocking the ball on interfering in passes to players in space. This isn't difficult to understand.

If you include possession as a third criteria you still have every knock on not in possession as a penalty (which seems stupid).

It's only stupid to stupid people who think that outcome with Mataele simply throwing out a hand to interfere with the pass isn't deliberate.

[number9]

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[Kirwan]

@Hooroo said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Kirwan said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Weird feeling, with a better ref we would have had that. Still lots for us to work on, but far better than last year

The fucking ref?!?? That means for everything he got wrong for blues you need to give points where he got it wrong for red team.

It was your shit first five that could not win the game for you not the ref.

Both ten missed kicks, that evens out. The stuff he let the Crusaders get away with was a joke. One harsh PT too.

They might of well just put players in our back line.

[Tim]

Best thing was how we played in the second half. Perhaps all that talk about the impact on fitness of the new trainer was true.

[Bones]

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@hydro11 said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

Under that ruling, every knock on is deliberate.

You might want to learn the laws. A player in possession can knock on ffs.

Right but if a player in possession loses it they didn't catch it and the ball didn't go backwards. So if those are the only two criteria, every knock on is deliberate.

The matter in hand is defenders knocking the ball on interfering in passes to players in space. This isn't difficult to understand.

If you include possession as a third criteria you still have every knock on not in possession as a penalty (which seems stupid).

It's only stupid to stupid people who think that outcome with Mataele simply throwing out a hand to interfere with the pass isn't deliberate.

Hang on. I'm not on board with hydto, but can you point out to me just what knock ons occur that aren't part of a deliberate action?

[antipodean]

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@Bones said in Blues vs Crusaders:

@antipodean said in Blues vs Crusaders:

Not a deliberate knock on? WTF is the clown smoking?

It's not a deliberate knock on. How many penalties are we gonna have if we start penalising people for accidental knock ons?

It is deliberate because it didn't go backwards and he didn't catch it. That removes any "judgement".

It's not deliberate. Are you saying every forward pass is deliberate now? That's a penalty. And lineouts, where the tap down goes awry and ends up going forward? Penalty.

I guess if you can't deal with the issue at hand you can always come up with your own red herrings.

How is that a red herring? Player attempts to play it back, it accidentally goes forward. Definite penalty.

So yet again you're making a judgement call about intent from a defender. All the other examples are irrelevant to this discussion. Lineouts are restarts and contest for possession.