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@canefan And yet more "freedom" and "respect"
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One thing I've been thinking about but haven't really seen it discussed is Nicky Hager and also the Greens campaigning against state surveillance. In fact, around this time last year Nicky Hager was appointed as part of a group to oversee these agencies which was an absurd appointment.
Would be interested to hear if this group has made any changes since forming, and what they think about this terrorist slipping through the cracks given many of them have advocated for no surveillance at all.
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@No-Quarter have any enquiries been started yet?
There will be numerous ones done I expect, but yes will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
The GCSE and surveillance was a big issue a few years back, and you would hope that there havent been any relaxing or changes around this that might have prevented this.
Nicky Hagar being on that committee was a fucking joke, how can he be considered remotely impartial or fair in his assessment of it.
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@taniwharugby It would be funny if they were criticised for dropping the ball and he among others was implicated, seeing as he is all into less oversight and all that
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so the 'alleged' fuckstick has made a complaint about being denied use of a phone, TV or any contact with people...seriously though, given what he did, this cnut should have every single basic human right revoked bar being given 4 walls, a bed, running water and some food.
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@taniwharugby I understand your anger mate but we've got civilised standards for incarceration which I believe we must uphold.
My anger is more directed to the media vultures for reporting anything about him.
Again Adern missed another trick here. At the outset she should have explained to all NZers that this criminal case is certain. He will be tried in private and will be incarcerated for his entire life. He will spend that life away from other inmates. His future will be of no interest or consequence to NZers. He will die in a cell. She could have issued legislation or strong recommendations that no media outlets were to publish or report on his life since being arrested and to all intents and purposes his life in the public eye is over. She could have stressed that clickbait media about him should be viewed with derision and disgust by decent NZers.
This will be the treatment for all crimes like this - he will essentially not exist in the minds of the new zealanders. The message to other wannabe martyrs to follow is clear, you get locked up in anonymity for ever.
He gets a cell and none of the attention he craves and which motivated him.
Exceptional treatment for exceptional circumstances.
She won't though, she'll see the outrage like me and you feel for this gutter journalism as another great opportunity to thrust herself front and centre in the public eye, hoping people will forget kiwibuild and other failings on her watch.
We have mores in the fern for not reporting some things, I think we should do the same for clickbait about this utter fluffybunny. Not a rule, but perhaps an agreement we could all make voluntarily
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@taniwharugby for sure mate, so how do WE deal with that? I say we take it into our own hands to properly ignore the fluffybunny. Fuck being slaves to a dishonest and discredited media.
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@taniwharugby yep such is our society where, seemingly, we're all lemmings to this rancid media business model.
But do we have to be....?
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@Siam how do you get everyone to make a stand?
I never knowingly click on 2 idiots that call themselves sports journos, but they are still employed oblvious to the ramblings of people such as me.
So little actual journalism these days, usually just opinion or puff peices with an agenda.
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@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
MSM is as bad as outlets like the Woman's Day these days. The shit they spill is brain melting but people still lap it up. Since the days of the Christians and the Romans, people have lapped up drivel
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@canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed
Just recognising it is a start
Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.
There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed
Just recognising it is a start
Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.
There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.
We didn't have so many alternate information sources as we do now either. Some legitimate, others more marginal. Either way, MSM are under more pressure than ever to maintain their business and journalist standards seem to have slipped. But I think the news has always been delivered on an angle, it's just easier to see now
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I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .
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@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .
Seemingly completely different characters but yet those Elders are just as fucken annoying as eachother. I wonder how many thoughts and prayers Millie has sent ?
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Another thing I wish Adern would have done from the outset is to have referred to the victims as kiwis and completely left religious identity out of it. We all know the intersectionality. First and foremost these people we feel deep sympathy for are New Zealanders. All other sub group labels (religion, age, sex, left or right handed etc) are less relevant and are only convenient for identitarians to selfishly virtue signal.
She should have brushed away the obvious and united all of us under a kiwi backdrop. Fellow kiwis suffered on that day and that's what's most important.
But no, she goes all dress up and points to the elephant in the room by dividing us on the basis of religion, thereby opening the door to shit pieces like the one jegga posted.
Keep the narrative that kiwis were killed and it's kiwis that need our help in terrible times, (which ordinary kiwis did magnificently). You don't deny the religion, but it plays a backseat role when addressing the nation and the world.
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Oh good then...is it just be or this this verging on a puff piece for NZ gangs.
There was an article a few days back showing a 'emotional haka' by one of these groups at a mosque. One person put a pretty damning heartfelt comment stating that a couple of the men being praised were up on rape and home invasion charges. Kinda infuriating but I guess thats the point for clicks
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