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@Stargazer said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Brenton Harrison Tarrant, a.k.a. “The man.” They really don’t want to name this guy, do they?
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@Siam does that water down any genuine empathy or leadership on her part? Or that she's developing as a leader where her prior track record wasn't that flash. I think there has been a fair amount of 'look at me' across generations, it's just that the more recent waves have the technology and access to really highlight it. And Jacinda has nothing on our current crop of young'uns.
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@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
Agree, it’s a topic worth discussing. I’m talking about Arderns behaviour when there’s an international audience- see Grace Milane and how few fucks she gave about the kids that were abused at the Labour youth retreat . I think she handled this in a far more dignified manner apart from the hijab although o think there’s a protocol for women covering their heads in a mosque the similar to taking off your shoes before entering a Marae.
The white men are the real victims claim is a tad odd , I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that
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@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
Agree, it’s a topic worth discussing. I’m talking about Arderns behaviour when there’s an international audience- see Grace Milane and how few fucks she gave about the kids that were abused at the Labour youth retreat . I think she handled this in a far more dignified manner apart from the hijab although o think there’s a protocol for women covering their heads in a mosque the similar to taking off your shoes before entering a Marae.
The white men are the real victims claim is a tad odd , I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that
I can only assume DM's comment is tongue in cheek?
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
Agree, it’s a topic worth discussing. I’m talking about Arderns behaviour when there’s an international audience- see Grace Milane and how few fucks she gave about the kids that were abused at the Labour youth retreat . I think she handled this in a far more dignified manner apart from the hijab although o think there’s a protocol for women covering their heads in a mosque the similar to taking off your shoes before entering a Marae.
The white men are the real victims claim is a tad odd , I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that
I can only assume DM's comment is tongue in cheek?
I hope so .
Is it just me or are the pro gun lobby their own worst enemies? If Tipple is the face of it they are screwed , a quick search of the guys name shows he’s a nut job .
Also since we are talking about pointless virtue signalling Fish and Game coming out in support of banning semi autos was all about good pr for them and not much else . Trout fishermen and game bird hunters are known to use an ar 15 much in pursuit of their prey .
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@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
Agree, it’s a topic worth discussing. I’m talking about Arderns behaviour when there’s an international audience- see Grace Milane and how few fucks she gave about the kids that were abused at the Labour youth retreat . I think she handled this in a far more dignified manner apart from the hijab although o think there’s a protocol for women covering their heads in a mosque the similar to taking off your shoes before entering a Marae.
The white men are the real victims claim is a tad odd , I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that
I can only assume DM's comment is tongue in cheek?
I hope so .
Is it just me or are the pro gun lobby their own worst enemies? If Tipple is the face of it they are screwed , a quick search of the guys name shows he’s a nut job .
Also since we are talking about pointless virtue signalling Fish and Game coming out in support of banning semi autos was all about good pr for them and not much else . Trout fishermen and game bird hunters are known to use an ar 15 much in pursuit of their prey .
It was an easy decision because it had no financial downside and 'moral' upside
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@Paekakboyz said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Siam does that water down any genuine empathy or leadership on her part? Or that she's developing as a leader where her prior track record wasn't that flash. I think there has been a fair amount of 'look at me' across generations, it's just that the more recent waves have the technology and access to really highlight it. And Jacinda has nothing on our current crop of young'uns.
I have a mate in the legal profession that knows Jacko. Says she's generally a really nice person. He also harboured doubts about her and Labour's ability to govern. But based on that I'd say her intentions in this instance were more genuine than calculated
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@rotated said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I kind of go both ways on the hijab thing.
I'm very much in the camp of taking things at face value and a subset of people are going to find a way to get offended by anything.
Then again this is a government whose first order of business was to amend what was a fairly vanilla parliamentary prayer, and then paraded about an openly Islamic prayer to open parliament last week. This is a leader that actively sees everything through the lens of identity politics, so it's always a temptation to argue against them on that level.
I've made a couple of not-so-subtle digs at Jacinda proclaiming herself a feminist but seeming to not understand the history of the Hijab as a tool to oppress women around the world. That dig is more a dig at so many feminists in the west, who appear to not give the slightest bit of a fuck about any women that are not "western" in their eyes.
And the reason for that is Intersectionality - because Muslims rate highly in the intersectional oppression scorecard, they are loathe to criticise anything about them, including Islam and anything related despite it being one of THE biggest issues that feminists should be tackling right now. It really is a toxic brand of "feminism" that Jacinda and so many like her subscribe to.
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@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
Agree, it’s a topic worth discussing. I’m talking about Arderns behaviour when there’s an international audience- see Grace Milane and how few fucks she gave about the kids that were abused at the Labour youth retreat . I think she handled this in a far more dignified manner apart from the hijab although o think there’s a protocol for women covering their heads in a mosque the similar to taking off your shoes before entering a Marae.
The white men are the real victims claim is a tad odd , I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that
Nobody has.
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@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
IMO It'd be bloody great if someone started a separate topic about Jacinda's insincerity or how white males are the real victims and all the other politicisation of this thread
What a stupid post.
This topic has been politicised by the media and politicians... and as for white males? You are trying to hard. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
This topic has been politicised by the media and politicians...
I’d even go so far as to say exploited.
Blood was rushing to Matthew Hooton’s brain this morning as he excitedly typed out a commentary in the Herald imploring Jacinda to call a snap election because she’ll never be more popular. He wants her to strike while the iron is still hot.
Sadly reminds me of the gleeful PNAC warmongers who got their “catalyzing event” when planes slammed into skyscrapers.
Exploiting a political advantage out of a tragedy is cynical, but not unprecedented.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Hooten is always very interesting to read for his insights, but he sometimes over-eggs his resulting conclusions. A snap election being a classic...
Agreed, he also likes to stir too. Now that he's made the suggestion some reporter is likely to ask Ardern and stir the pot even more.
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So the twat now has legal council, I thought he didnt want it...
So did these Lawyers go to him offering thier service...or did he see sense to take a proper defence?
Now they are looking at his mental state...even if deemed not in a sound mind, surely he will still be incarcerated for the duration of his worthless life.
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@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
So the twat now has legal council, I thought he didnt want it...
So did these Lawyers go to him offering thier service...or did he see sense to take a proper defence?
Now they are looking at his mental state...even if deemed not in a sound mind, surely he will still be incarcerated for the duration of his worthless life.
Judge said it is routine. Either way he's never getting out. I'm happy for him to get professional representation. No grounds for appeal and I'm sure we won't see any Ewen MacDonald style histrionics from the defence
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@taniwharugby I'd heard that it's offered as a matter of course. But that the defendant didn't need to accept. Not 100% on that though. As long as we follow due process and put that fucker away for forever.
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@Paekakboyz oh yeah, he is (legally) entitled to a defence (legal aid cos he cant pay) but I thought he had opted to defend himself...where people were worried he would try to use as a platform to grandstand further.
So in a way it is good he has a defence, but jeez, even with the rights to legal defence, defending a fucker like him cant have been an easy decision...?
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My wife (lawyer) said he's representing himself but is entitled to legal counsel to ensure he understands how things work. I.E. legal assistance, which is normal as people who represent themselves don't have a clue how things actually work.
Unless he's completely changed his mind on that?
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
My wife (lawyer) said he's representing himself but is entitled to legal counsel to ensure he understands how things work. I.E. legal assistance, which is normal as people who represent themselves don't have a clue how things actually work.
Yup, it’s all process stuff, which I suspect he’s going to be clueless about. My guess is he’ll try to use his time to sermonize, there’ll be numerous objections, warnings and he’ll be gagged and held in contempt.
Ofcourse, just because he’s evil and a homicidal maniac doesn’t necessarily mean he’s stupid. One presumes he has access to legal books and might be able to prepare and mount something of a defence. But he’ll be on very thin ice and judge will throw the book at him the second he strays outside his boundries.
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