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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
So, given the increasing Polynesian-ing (new word!) of the Wallabies, they might battle to find 23 players for October
Just what you need in a World Cup year!
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@mariner4life There are plenty of Polynesians who don't agree with Folau's views, though. They're not all fundamentalists. And some actually have brains and understand the difference between holding views, expressing them in private and expressing them in public; between things you can say while employed and things you cannot say while employed.
Folau has expressed his beliefs often on his social media accounts. It's only the few that crossed the ARU's line, that got him into trouble. So it's easy for Polynesian players - even the homophobes among them - to stay true to their beliefs and express them to a great extent; just keep the ones that breach your employer's rules (or the law) off your social media accounts.
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@Stargazer what's your point?
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@mariner4life That they won't have trouble finding 23 players for the Wallabies, because there may be plenty of PI players disagreeing with Folau, or agreeing with Folau but having the brains to respect the terms of their employment and keep their bigoted views off social media.
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@Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life That they won't have trouble finding 23 players for the Wallabies, because there may be plenty of PI players disagreeing with Folau, or agreeing with Folau but having the brains to respect the terms of their employment and keep their bigoted views off social media.
oh, you thought i was serious. Cute.
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@mariner4life You never know on the Fern ... people say the strangest things
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@Stargazer sure Polynesians aren't an homogeneous borg, those that are religious take it seriously.
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@antipodean Yep, there are many Christian denominations and even more interpretations, also among Polynesians. So those that take their religion seriously, may have an entirely different view from Folau. Digby Ioane, for example, has been very clear about that.
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I assume the Wallabies have an alcohol sponsor or at least the stadiums they play at rely heavily on piss sales. Have any of these companies voiced concerns about their products being labelled the devil's work or have they been able to get on with their lives like the fornicators and adulterers?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I assume the Wallabies have an alcohol sponsor or at least the stadiums they play at rely heavily on piss sales. Have any of these companies voiced concerns about their products being labelled the devil's work or have they been able to get on with their lives like the fornicators and adulterers?
Well its a known fact that they serve Australian beer in hell so yes it's definitely quite the conundrum.
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It will be interesting to see how many PI players support Folau. Obviously they aren't a single hive mind, but we may soon find out if his fun version of Christianity is widely followed.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
So, given the increasing Polynesian-ing (new word!) of the Wallabies, they might battle to find 23 players for October
Jokes aside it will be interesting to see if many others speak up in support of Folau. Conservative Christian beliefs like Folau's are not uncommon, RAs actions will have undoubtedly pissed off quite a few people/players that put their faith above all else.
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@Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life That they won't have trouble finding 23 players for the Wallabies, because there may be plenty of PI players disagreeing with Folau, or agreeing with Folau but having the brains to respect the terms of their employment and keep their bigoted views off social media.
Brilliant. Makes a point about keeping bigoted views off social media by expressing bigoted views ( brainless) on social media 😂
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
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@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
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@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
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@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
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