GOT - there will be spoilers
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@Paekakboyz close but not quote. It's the new writers that have taken a massive dump on George R.R. Martin
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I'd been holding off on ep 5 as I was catching the Mrs up. We got through all of season 8 this weekend and have to say even on the re-watch its been good to excellent.
Episode 3 definitely stands out as particularly awesome, I even got over the seemingly dubious military tactics. Previously I had been looking at it through the lens of 'If we use the right tactics we could defeat the army of the dead' rather than the more accurate and foreshadowed lens of 'We are hopelessly outnumbered, there is simply no way we can win this except for the 'kill the Night king card'. Placement of artillery is irrelevant except maybe as a physical barrier from the inevitable charge. Dothraki charge was more an attempt to try and slow the advance before returning and reforming (..in kings landing by the looks..)
Socially awkward cripple warging was just to encourage Night King to his position. Even the lack of main character deaths was actually subtlety brilliant. Going into GOT we assume main characters won't die but will always be miraculously saved ala disney. Well a few seasons in and we see that definitely isn't the case. So now we go into the biggest battle in s8e03 fully prepared for mass favourite character slayings, especially after the heartfelt episode 2 (another great episode). So throughout the episode we are always on the edge of our seats expecting to lose a favourite at any point, and in typical GRR Martin fashion we were mostly wrong and most survived. Now the audience is bitching about it being too disney again putting the audience potentially in the position where the believe main characters might now be safe.
Episode 4 was a little flat but necessary to nudge Dany into her madness. Yeah sure the scorpions looked like the greatest weapon on earth but the scenes were dramatised to illustrate how a new weapon can be extremely effective in a surprise attack when the opposition hasn't had time to work out how to counter it. (Think Rokocoko circa 2003).
I got two small spoilers before episode 5. I clicked in to this thread by accident to see Baron's post that he thought he'd be in the minority but he liked it and later that week I accidentally went into stuff.co.nz where there was a couple headlines about 'GOT has just given up' and 'Mass petition to re-write season 8'.
. Hmmm Stuff doesn't like something...that's a damn good sign!
Thoroughly enjoyed the episode, only issue was maybe the Jamie/Euron meeting seemed a little contrived but I guess it was necessary. Can totally see why Stuff would hate it, Ms social-justice Virtue has turned into an irredeemable evil tyrant. The long scene with Arya was brilliant just to get a scope of just how brutal things were on the ground, the writers talked about the reason for that was that the audience are effected more emotionally to that sort of carnage when a character they love is involved and could potentially fall.Anyway super pumped for todays finale.
Prediction they will realise that the union of kingdoms is folly and only results in tyranny so the kingdoms will be split with Sansa, Yara, Gendry all getting a slice. Dany to die, John to probably kill her and then say 'folau this! I'm moving north to find another hot redhead'
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Nah, can't see him being alive. Mad Queen will promise to free everyone like she made the people of king's landing free. She'll imprison or fry Tyrion, he'll confront her. Jon will finally do something useful and stab her whilst kissing her. He then head to the north in shame, but at least ghost gets a pat fan service. So that leaves just bran for the throne, Sansa will stay north. Dragon will fly off with Danny dead, Arya will go off too. Horse lords and unsullied will return to the east, they've an empire there. Most of that doesn't make much sense but it ties everything off, DND style
Just putting my genius (or at least ability to correctly guess bad writing) here....
I put Bran on the throne as a joke! How did Tyrion the prisoner get the rights to take over Kingmaking proceedings? But I did think Jon would go North, to join the Wildlings. But to go to the Night's Watch, who are guarding against what? NK dead, Wildings granted the North of the North, WTF?
It's so Hollywood, everyone gets a role, Brienne is KG (what about Queen Sansa?), Bronn Master of Coin? Argh it's so stupid!
Oh well, sorry for my Nerd Rage, it was what I expected by the end. But man really?
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GReat ending, loved it.
I think the series really redeemed itself in the last few episodes.
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Nah, can't see him being alive. Mad Queen will promise to free everyone like she made the people of king's landing free. She'll imprison or fry Tyrion, he'll confront her. Jon will finally do something useful and stab her whilst kissing her. He then head to the north in shame, but at least ghost gets a pat fan service. So that leaves just bran for the throne, Sansa will stay north. Dragon will fly off with Danny dead, Arya will go off too. Horse lords and unsullied will return to the east, they've an empire there. Most of that doesn't make much sense but it ties everything off, DND style
Just putting my genius (or at least ability to correctly guess bad writing) here....
I put Bran on the throne as a joke! How did Tyrion the prisoner get the rights to take over Kingmaking proceedings? But I did think Jon would go North, to join the Wildlings. But to go to the Night's Watch, who are guarding against what? NK dead, Wildings granted the North of the North, WTF?
It's so Hollywood, everyone gets a role, Brienne is KG (what about Queen Sansa?), Bronn Master of Coin? Argh it's so stupid!
Oh well, sorry for my Nerd Rage, it was what I expected by the end. But man really?
You just mostly copied the widely known leaks.
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I don't do leaks, so no. It was mostly obvious mixed with a joke that came true. Pretty much like the last few seasons, a joke that came to screen
Yeah right..... we can agree to disagree on that one.. until you say you are genius for just stating what was leaked.. then you are gonna get called on it.
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@antipodean said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Excellent episode. Mad Targaryen finally goes mad. Everything is lining up for Sansa as Jon goes back to the North. That or Jon ends up on the throne and Maester Aemon's words have some poignancy; 'a Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing'. Of course that could hold true even in Dany gets the bickies.
Hmm. I'm not going to complain about predictability as any halfway decent writing through the previous episodes leads to only a couple of outcomes. But
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Bran as King? The cripple has done nothing for eight seasons.
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I do have to laugh at those that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
Dany turning evil was the Martin twist, it is worse than her dying. People lament the predictability, but looking back I didnt see anyone predicting her behaving like that. But suddenly it is all childish and predictable?How should it have ended?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel and if he does become king, there will be a reason behind it. Why would anyone vote for him as king with what he did in the series? He did nothing of use, apart from tethered bait for the NK. The TV series writers have been told the planned ending, but they don't have the skill and wit to get there. So they make stupid, illogical leaps to get to the desired end point. Danny will go mad in the books, she's ready to burn enemies, but the TV series pushed so hard the saviour of children part, the snap and methodically murder hundreds of thousands makes little sense. It'll admittedly be easier in the books because she's a pov character, already she hears voices and has visions often, it will make more sense. In the series it doesn't
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.And for the record I think the first 2 episodes of this series were average, and the last actual book was boring. SO I am not knee jerk supportive, but I think most criticism that is coming out is just lame.
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel and if he does become king, there will be a reason behind it. Why would anyone vote for him as king with what he did in the series? He did nothing of use, apart from tethered bait for the NK. The TV series writers have been told the planned ending, but they don't have the skill and wit to get there. So they make stupid, illogical leaps to get to the desired end point. Danny will go mad in the books, she's ready to burn enemies, but the TV series pushed so hard the saviour of children part, the snap and methodically murder hundreds of thousands makes little sense. It'll admittedly be easier in the books because she's a pov character, already she hears voices and has visions often, it will make more sense. In the series it doesn't
Yeah I mean why would the descendants of inbred mad kings go mad? Totally far fetched that she would snap after losing nearly all her trusted and loved advisors in brutal fashion.
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Snap and go mad, then torch the surrendered Red Keep, I can take. But methodically murder and entire city? It took a long time, flying up and down. Long enough for one girl to have half a dozen almost killed Hollywood moments, and she keeps going. Sorry verisimilitude gone, for me.
Anyway I envy you, I wish I thought it was great too, but sadly I don't. I have the entire site in blu ray, first season in 4k as well, I doubt I'll even bother to get this one ðŸ˜
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.I didn't need the long version. Where was it foreshadowed? I'll take my hat off to GRRM if he can plausibly make it happen from Brian's cave location. It just seems like Bran is destined for other things that are not of the human world.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.I didn't need the long version. Where was it foreshadowed? I'll take my hat off to GRRM if he can plausibly make it happen from Brian's cave location. It just seems like Bran is destined for other things that are not of the human world.
I think you did need the long version....
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