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I do have to laugh at those that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
Dany turning evil was the Martin twist, it is worse than her dying. People lament the predictability, but looking back I didnt see anyone predicting her behaving like that. But suddenly it is all childish and predictable?How should it have ended?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel and if he does become king, there will be a reason behind it. Why would anyone vote for him as king with what he did in the series? He did nothing of use, apart from tethered bait for the NK. The TV series writers have been told the planned ending, but they don't have the skill and wit to get there. So they make stupid, illogical leaps to get to the desired end point. Danny will go mad in the books, she's ready to burn enemies, but the TV series pushed so hard the saviour of children part, the snap and methodically murder hundreds of thousands makes little sense. It'll admittedly be easier in the books because she's a pov character, already she hears voices and has visions often, it will make more sense. In the series it doesn't
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.And for the record I think the first 2 episodes of this series were average, and the last actual book was boring. SO I am not knee jerk supportive, but I think most criticism that is coming out is just lame.
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel and if he does become king, there will be a reason behind it. Why would anyone vote for him as king with what he did in the series? He did nothing of use, apart from tethered bait for the NK. The TV series writers have been told the planned ending, but they don't have the skill and wit to get there. So they make stupid, illogical leaps to get to the desired end point. Danny will go mad in the books, she's ready to burn enemies, but the TV series pushed so hard the saviour of children part, the snap and methodically murder hundreds of thousands makes little sense. It'll admittedly be easier in the books because she's a pov character, already she hears voices and has visions often, it will make more sense. In the series it doesn't
Yeah I mean why would the descendants of inbred mad kings go mad? Totally far fetched that she would snap after losing nearly all her trusted and loved advisors in brutal fashion.
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Snap and go mad, then torch the surrendered Red Keep, I can take. But methodically murder and entire city? It took a long time, flying up and down. Long enough for one girl to have half a dozen almost killed Hollywood moments, and she keeps going. Sorry verisimilitude gone, for me.
Anyway I envy you, I wish I thought it was great too, but sadly I don't. I have the entire site in blu ray, first season in 4k as well, I doubt I'll even bother to get this one ðŸ˜
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.I didn't need the long version. Where was it foreshadowed? I'll take my hat off to GRRM if he can plausibly make it happen from Brian's cave location. It just seems like Bran is destined for other things that are not of the human world.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I do have to luagh at thiose that think George R R Martin didnt decide Bran would be king. Clutching at straws that he will have a different ending. Basically it has become 'de rigueur' to criticise the end, but no matter what the ending, it would have been criticised. It is just the TV version of tall poppy. I am starting to think no ending would have have stopped the critics form lashing out.
How should it have ended?
Have you read the books? It would be very difficult for Bran to become King since he appears to be permanently connected to the world wide wierwood. Could happen, just seems a real stretch.
Yes, and I am willing to bet I read them before you as I got the hardcover signed early on in a bookstore in London. In that famous sci/fi book store just before xmas 96, my then girlfriend bought it for me for xmas.
Of course Bran could become King in fact I think in hindsight it was foreshadowed a bit.I didn't need the long version. Where was it foreshadowed? I'll take my hat off to GRRM if he can plausibly make it happen from Brian's cave location. It just seems like Bran is destined for other things that are not of the human world.
I think you did need the long version....
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@chimoaus said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I was happy with how it ended, sure a little Hollywood but in the end I thoroughly enjoyed one of the best TV shows I have ever seen. I look forward to their next TV Show and the prequel that is coming.
Yeah, at least it showed that there was a reason behind all the plot devices.
The character storylines certainly all seemed rushed once they got past the books and IMO that was mainly because the pacing of the story was so different.
I agree that most of where things ended up has a traceable thread so in that respect it wasn't bad. In retrospect another 6 episodes to flesh things out along the way would have been good and maybe some of the more outrageous plot devices could have been avoided. The show certainly had the following for one more season but got bogged down in spending so much time and money making huge spectacles. -
@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Nah, can't see him being alive. Mad Queen will promise to free everyone like she made the people of king's landing free. She'll imprison or fry Tyrion, he'll confront her. Jon will finally do something useful and stab her whilst kissing her. He then head to the north in shame, but at least ghost gets a pat fan service. So that leaves just bran for the throne, Sansa will stay north. Dragon will fly off with Danny dead, Arya will go off too. Horse lords and unsullied will return to the east, they've an empire there. Most of that doesn't make much sense but it ties everything off, DND style
How did Tyrion the prisoner get the rights to take over Kingmaking proceedings?
Head of House Lannister? Didn’t know who some of those other dudes were though
I thought it was a good ending BTW. The first 15 mins were as bleak as anything I’ve seen on TV, ever. Terrific television.
I’m hoping we get a series of Arya’s adventures in wherever at some point.
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Impossible job to satisfy everyone, but I mostly enjoyed that.
Not a fan of Bran as King, seems like a twist for the sake of it. I was hoping for Gendry, so it will end where it started in some ways.
I guess the dragon didn’t smoke Jon because of the Targarian blood?
The visuals on this show are pretty much movie quality, beautiful cinematography. Acting is outstanding as well.
Two more episodes to stretch out Dany going mad and the Night King resolution and it would have been more satisfying IMO.
On to the Expanse
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Bran makes more and more sense as I think about it for 3 reasons.
1/ As Tyrion said he has a story, he played a role... a role that can be embellished for the peasant classes.
2/He is acceptable to the nobles. He is a noble, but not a war monger or tyrant.
3/ He is bloody well mystical as fuck. His all seeing eyes would make loyalists knowledgable and traitors nervous.Who exactly is better?
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@Kirwan said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
How good was this shot?
It was cool - I thought she had transformed into the Night King in the very first shot (not shown in that clip).
Good ending to the entire show, even got a few things right in my terrible predictions (really thought when they were doing the "who's the new ruler" selection that Gendry would be the one picked but alas)
Loved the final scene as it was a nod to the very first scene in GoT.
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Is Bran the Broken just as culpable for the slaughter of KL as Dany?
It was implied that he knew everything that was going to happen and was allowing it to play out so that they could reach the simple point of removing succession and claim from the throne.
So, he too wanted a better place and was willing for hundreds of thousands of deaths to occur to reach that point of change.
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