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@Kirwan said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Ok, thanks guys.
I liked this;
Oh and if your going to jump into the books I’d recommend going old school and getting ‘real’ books. I normally read via the kindle but for SOIAF it felt deserving of an actual book.
Got them in Hardback, very impressive too they are huge. -
And who saw Jon kill Dany, no one, so why did he fess up, knowing Grey Worm was looking to kill people who slighted his queen in any way, let alone shank her!
So, why not fabricate a story, I went up to break up with her, she got her crazy eyes, jumped on Drogon and got out of Dodge.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
And who saw Jon kill Dany, no one, so why did he fess up, knowing Grey Worm was looking to kill people who slighted his queen in any way, let alone shank her!
So, why not fabricate a story, I went up to break up with her, she got her crazy eyes, jumped on Drogon and got out of Dodge.
...leaving behind a huge pool of blood in the snow..
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@Virgil said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
And who saw Jon kill Dany, no one, so why did he fess up, knowing Grey Worm was looking to kill people who slighted his queen in any way, let alone shank her!
So, why not fabricate a story, I went up to break up with her, she got her crazy eyes, jumped on Drogon and got out of Dodge.
...leaving behind a huge pool of blood in the snow..
given her behaviour just recently, it's pretty clear she was on her rags...
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@Virgil you know snow is pretty much water right? And it was still snowing...could also have pointed at the iron throne and said look, she was so upset she did that...who would have believed the dragon did it because if his mother couldn't have it, no one could.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Virgil you know snow is pretty much water right? And it was still snowing...could also have pointed at the iron throne and said look, she was so upset she did that...who would have believed the dragon did it because if his mother couldn't have it, no one could.
It was ash, not snow. You know....from that inferno massacre you just saw.
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I enjoyed it as it gave good closure. But again the condensed nature of it meant you jolted around a bit. During the battle it looked like a nice normal autumn afternoon. Next day Snow everywhere, ohh yeah they made a big deal Winter has come and it lasts years and years in this world. Few months after the shanking. Of its blazing hot sun again? What?
Also Tyrion convincing John to do the shanking, made no sense he walked right up behind her while she was doing her Nuremberg rally. He could have done it then if he felt it was so important. Why did he only think of it after? He expected to die for quitting as hand so he had nothing stopping him.
Would have been nice to know why there is a nights watch? What are they watching for now. Also might be handy to set it up near the big fuck off hole in the wall.
My wife liked Arya going off exploring I thought they may have wanted to set it up a bit more. I was hoping a kraken was going to smash her ship.
I was thinking there were 4 types of characters in the story
Pure Evil - Joffrey, Bolton, Cersi, Euron types
Evil but think they are good - Dany, Tywin, Sparrow dude
Good but flawed - Robb, Jamie, Jorah, Theon, Hound
Good - Everyone who lived till the end.Surprising really you would think if they were subverting TV tropes more of the pure good guys would have died.
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@mooshld said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Pure Evil - Joffrey, Bolton, Cersi, Euron types
Evil but think they are good - Dany, Tywin, Sparrow dude
Good but flawed - Robb, Jamie, Jorah, Theon, Hound
Good - Everyone who lived till the end.You missed..
Good but thick as shit - Jon Snow
Having Ygritte continually saying 'you know nothing Jon Snow' over and over was the biggest foreshadowing on the series.
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Ending was fine. A bit too neat as people have said above but at least wrapped everything up. I think the issue I (and many others) have with the last few series is that characters started to act to 'type' as noted above. The evil people were always evil. The good were always good etc. What was interesting about the earlier series was that the people who always acted 'good' tended to die and the people who were morally ambiguous but played the odds correctly tended to live.
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Fuck it. This is how I would have liked it to play out:
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At end of series six all seven rulers would have met and decided to send their armies north to face the Night King. Tyrion convinces Cersei that they are the last of the Lannisters and it's the right thing to do. She reluctantly agrees that there's no point in having the crown when her children are dead.
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Cersei then finds out she's pregnant so decides to hang on to the crown for her son. She also looks at a map of Westeros and correctly deduces that the North is massive and will be overrun and the only place to stop the army of the dead is the Neck. (Think Thermopylae with flaming peat bogs). She decides to cut the North loose (correctly figuring they will refuse to abandon their lands) and tells Jaime to fortify the Twins and prevent the other five armies marching north as they'll be needed to defend the Neck.
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Night King really starts to fuck shit up in the north. Danaerys realises her advisers are idiots, have fucked it up and they are trapped. She flies south to convince Cersei to let reinforcements go north.
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Cersei barricades population in Kings Landing and tells Dany that she's put wildfire all around the city and one spark from Drogon will create a Dresden fire storm. Cersei plays on Dany's mad daddy issues about burning the city and mocks Dany that the North is fucked and her army is about to be wiped out. Dany has moral quandary - destroy Kings Landing or everyone in the north dies. So she incinerates Cersei and in doing so the entire city goes up.
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Dany then confronts Jamie who bends the knee. But he then explains again how strategically the North is already fucked and should be abandoned (he can call back to how he abandoned Casterly Rock to show he actually understands this). Dany realises Cersei was actually right after all and she should have listened to her. She then flies North and pulls her armies out.
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Night King overruns the North but gets stuck at the Neck due to flaming peat bogs and flaming dragons. Meanwhile Bran (who I would have left in his cave) works out how to use his tree network and warg skills to provide real time communication allowing various raids to kill each of the white walkers. Each one killed takes out 10% or so of the army of the dead. Move the Hodor scene here - once the Night King works out who is coordinating the attacks he can assault the cave and Hodor can have a more meaningful end.
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Night King gets desperate as his army is destroyed and decides himself to force through the Neck and is defeated (don't really care how or by who).
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Cue big celebration at Winterfell to celebrate the victory (also J+D wedding perhaps?). Jon tells Sansa how she reminds him of Ned. Sansa comments that her mother taught her some lessons too. She then orders repeat of Red Wedding and Dany, Unsullied and Dothraki are all killed. Jon goes for Sansa. Arya sticks him with the pointy end. Sansa makes the point that Dany's decisions killed entire population of Kings Landing and the North so had it coming.
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Sansa is Queen in North. She tells the other kingdoms all to fuck off and rebuilds the wall on her southern border (got to stop all the other kingdoms sending their rapers and murderers across the border...).
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Final shot - iron throne is abandoned in the ruins of the Red Keep.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@TeWaio he said it was snow...I did wonder if it was ash or snow, I mean winter had come hadnt it?
Apologies, guess I missed that
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Didnt the Night King have something to do with the long winter thing?
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@taniwharugby Possibly, he last came during the Long Night/Winter, but did he cause it? Either way, snowed in KL (it was far too white to be all ash, and there were storm clouds when Drogon flew off) but I guess it was a short winter? They have variable lengths.
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Now that GOT is done and the dust is beginning to settle it’s a good time to talk about what they did well and what they didn’t (leaving season 8, think it’s been done to death)
Could have been improved/better or actually used:
Dorne
Ghost/Dire Wolves
Lady Stoneheart
More flash backs with Bran and the 3 eyed RavenWhat was amazing:
Tits
Epic battles, Blackwater, battle of the bastards..
Dragons fucking Dragons
Tits
Hodor/hold the door
Politics especially the early seasons