GOT - there will be spoilers
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I enjoyed it as it gave good closure. But again the condensed nature of it meant you jolted around a bit. During the battle it looked like a nice normal autumn afternoon. Next day Snow everywhere, ohh yeah they made a big deal Winter has come and it lasts years and years in this world. Few months after the shanking. Of its blazing hot sun again? What?
Also Tyrion convincing John to do the shanking, made no sense he walked right up behind her while she was doing her Nuremberg rally. He could have done it then if he felt it was so important. Why did he only think of it after? He expected to die for quitting as hand so he had nothing stopping him.
Would have been nice to know why there is a nights watch? What are they watching for now. Also might be handy to set it up near the big fuck off hole in the wall.
My wife liked Arya going off exploring I thought they may have wanted to set it up a bit more. I was hoping a kraken was going to smash her ship.
I was thinking there were 4 types of characters in the story
Pure Evil - Joffrey, Bolton, Cersi, Euron types
Evil but think they are good - Dany, Tywin, Sparrow dude
Good but flawed - Robb, Jamie, Jorah, Theon, Hound
Good - Everyone who lived till the end.Surprising really you would think if they were subverting TV tropes more of the pure good guys would have died.
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@mooshld said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Pure Evil - Joffrey, Bolton, Cersi, Euron types
Evil but think they are good - Dany, Tywin, Sparrow dude
Good but flawed - Robb, Jamie, Jorah, Theon, Hound
Good - Everyone who lived till the end.You missed..
Good but thick as shit - Jon Snow
Having Ygritte continually saying 'you know nothing Jon Snow' over and over was the biggest foreshadowing on the series.
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Ending was fine. A bit too neat as people have said above but at least wrapped everything up. I think the issue I (and many others) have with the last few series is that characters started to act to 'type' as noted above. The evil people were always evil. The good were always good etc. What was interesting about the earlier series was that the people who always acted 'good' tended to die and the people who were morally ambiguous but played the odds correctly tended to live.
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Fuck it. This is how I would have liked it to play out:
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At end of series six all seven rulers would have met and decided to send their armies north to face the Night King. Tyrion convinces Cersei that they are the last of the Lannisters and it's the right thing to do. She reluctantly agrees that there's no point in having the crown when her children are dead.
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Cersei then finds out she's pregnant so decides to hang on to the crown for her son. She also looks at a map of Westeros and correctly deduces that the North is massive and will be overrun and the only place to stop the army of the dead is the Neck. (Think Thermopylae with flaming peat bogs). She decides to cut the North loose (correctly figuring they will refuse to abandon their lands) and tells Jaime to fortify the Twins and prevent the other five armies marching north as they'll be needed to defend the Neck.
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Night King really starts to fuck shit up in the north. Danaerys realises her advisers are idiots, have fucked it up and they are trapped. She flies south to convince Cersei to let reinforcements go north.
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Cersei barricades population in Kings Landing and tells Dany that she's put wildfire all around the city and one spark from Drogon will create a Dresden fire storm. Cersei plays on Dany's mad daddy issues about burning the city and mocks Dany that the North is fucked and her army is about to be wiped out. Dany has moral quandary - destroy Kings Landing or everyone in the north dies. So she incinerates Cersei and in doing so the entire city goes up.
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Dany then confronts Jamie who bends the knee. But he then explains again how strategically the North is already fucked and should be abandoned (he can call back to how he abandoned Casterly Rock to show he actually understands this). Dany realises Cersei was actually right after all and she should have listened to her. She then flies North and pulls her armies out.
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Night King overruns the North but gets stuck at the Neck due to flaming peat bogs and flaming dragons. Meanwhile Bran (who I would have left in his cave) works out how to use his tree network and warg skills to provide real time communication allowing various raids to kill each of the white walkers. Each one killed takes out 10% or so of the army of the dead. Move the Hodor scene here - once the Night King works out who is coordinating the attacks he can assault the cave and Hodor can have a more meaningful end.
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Night King gets desperate as his army is destroyed and decides himself to force through the Neck and is defeated (don't really care how or by who).
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Cue big celebration at Winterfell to celebrate the victory (also J+D wedding perhaps?). Jon tells Sansa how she reminds him of Ned. Sansa comments that her mother taught her some lessons too. She then orders repeat of Red Wedding and Dany, Unsullied and Dothraki are all killed. Jon goes for Sansa. Arya sticks him with the pointy end. Sansa makes the point that Dany's decisions killed entire population of Kings Landing and the North so had it coming.
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Sansa is Queen in North. She tells the other kingdoms all to fuck off and rebuilds the wall on her southern border (got to stop all the other kingdoms sending their rapers and murderers across the border...).
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Final shot - iron throne is abandoned in the ruins of the Red Keep.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@TeWaio he said it was snow...I did wonder if it was ash or snow, I mean winter had come hadnt it?
Apologies, guess I missed that
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Didnt the Night King have something to do with the long winter thing?
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@taniwharugby Possibly, he last came during the Long Night/Winter, but did he cause it? Either way, snowed in KL (it was far too white to be all ash, and there were storm clouds when Drogon flew off) but I guess it was a short winter? They have variable lengths.
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Now that GOT is done and the dust is beginning to settle it’s a good time to talk about what they did well and what they didn’t (leaving season 8, think it’s been done to death)
Could have been improved/better or actually used:
Dorne
Ghost/Dire Wolves
Lady Stoneheart
More flash backs with Bran and the 3 eyed RavenWhat was amazing:
Tits
Epic battles, Blackwater, battle of the bastards..
Dragons fucking Dragons
Tits
Hodor/hold the door
Politics especially the early seasons -
@Calf I'm not a fan of your "ending" - think it would have annoyed me more than this season.
Anyway, general thought that I may already have mentioned which may have improved the season for many fans was having 10 one hour episodes. Even if they took the exact same amount of time to tell the stories, the extra weeks would have made it seem like more time had happened. Dany's change would have happened over a few episodes instead of a couple. The season could have been split into two, five eps on the Night King, and five on the battle for KL and aftermath.
Although, just saying the that these episodes were the exact outline from the old perve is probably enough to change some fans minds.
Hmmm, looking at the thread I don't think I actually commented on the episode. I really didn't mind it. Had a decent killing that was somewhat unexpected and important to the show*, followed the usual GoT playbook of having a more talky episode after a penultimate battle/other big scene episode, finished on the Starks who have always been to me the focal point since the beginning. Not sure I buy Bran the Broken as King, but he is fairly neutral in the scheme of things. Tyrion and Jon not being killed automatically even subverts the usual GoT playbook of good guy dying. Maybe Grey Worm kept them alive for bargaining reasons? TBF, Grey Worm keeping them alive seems more in character with the character over the seasons than last weeks one.
*I can't believe some are complaining about Jon Snow's worth to the show, he got the armies together to defeat the Night King (pretty important), and killed his aunty-lover when she turned into a megalomaniac saving Westeros from ongoing war.
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@Chris-B said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Virgil Also amazing - Some evil bastards - eg Joffrey and Ramsay and some of the deaths, e.g. Dany's brother and the gold hat, Oberon, red wedding, Tywin....
Yup missed those, the casting has been superb too
Apart from the sand snakes I can’t recall many dud actors/characters -
need to read fast
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People have it so good in 2019 that they have to create the most retarded shit to fight against
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@mariner4life yep, gone are the days where you simply changed channel or didnt watch something!
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Are they upset about how it ended or the lazy arse abrupt way in which it ended? I think people can justifiably be pissed off about how rushed it all was after 8 long years of build up but if they have issues with the final outcome then they need to take a long walk in the fresh air.
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@Virgil said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Now that GOT is done and the dust is beginning to settle it’s a good time to talk about what they did well and what they didn’t (leaving season 8, think it’s been done to death)
Could have been improved/better or actually used:
Dorne
Ghost/Dire Wolves
Lady Stoneheart
More flash backs with Bran and the 3 eyed RavenWhat was amazing:
Tits
Epic battles, Blackwater, battle of the bastards..
Dragons fucking Dragons
Tits
Hodor/hold the door
Politics especially the early seasonsYou spelt Bronn, Hound and Tormund wrong......
