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@antipodean I'd be interested in whether any of those folks would take any person in need into their house - outside of their family and wider social circles I mean. And not including people who foster kids either. I suspect there would be a similar pattern of responses - essentially it's about strangers, but refugees are stranger strangers.. if that makes any sense.
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@Paekakboyz said in European Politics:
@antipodean I'd be interested in whether any of those folks would take any person in need into their house - outside of their family and wider social circles I mean. And not including people who foster kids either. I suspect there would be a similar pattern of responses - essentially it's about strangers, but refugees are stranger strangers.. if that makes any sense.
Yeah, not to defend the virtue signallers but if it was a female immigrant than there's more chance they'd say yes as well. Less chance of physical danger etc. Funny watching them squirm though.
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@No-Quarter big difference too in how your living arrangements are set up. If you had a separate flat on your property you might be sweet as, rather than having someone in the house with you and your family. Shit, heaps of people dont want their own family living with them for all sorts of reasons. Not hard to see the bar for refugees being waaay higher.
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@Paekakboyz Weirdly enough I'm still yet to see any big time virtue signalling celebs offer their many roomed spare luxory homes either. I guess advocating open borders, tolerance, inclusion and diversity only applies when it affects other peoples lives.
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@Frank said in European Politics:
@antipodean
Fuck, these Swedes are lying fluffybunnies.Without context, yes.
With context, no.
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@MajorRage said in European Politics:
@Frank said in European Politics:
@antipodean
Fuck, these Swedes are lying fluffybunnies.Without context, yes.
With context, no.
The context being they are all trouser and no leg.....
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@Rembrandt I think the distinction is in supporting those folks to integrate into society via govt and community support networks etc. I've never seen people saying come and stay in my house, but people being open to refugees becoming part of their nation and community.
But I totally get the hipocracy of someone living in a gated community in a multimillion dollar home welcoming refugees, when never the Twain shall meet.
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@MajorRage No doubt the latter at least while traditional media has it's final death throes.
Just finished watching it, actually surprisingly nuanced. I think she went in trying to push a narrative and got a bit of a shock. It's an extremely complex situation. -
@Rembrandt said in European Politics:
@MajorRage No doubt the latter at least while traditional media has it's final death throes.
Just finished watching it, actually surprisingly nuanced. I think she went in trying to push a narrative and got a bit of a shock. It's an extremely complex situation.And youtube have decided to hide it
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@jegga Utterly ridiculous call by YouTube when you actually watch it. Oh well, helps my Mrs get red pilled, she isn't political,thought it was an interesting doco and now seeing it being censored thinks something is very screwy with social media.
Bitchute link (May need a VPN if Oz based as YouTube doesn't like competition and Telstra are happy to comply with their wishes)
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Stellar reporting. Anti-jewish attacks on the rise in Germany to the point where Jews are being advised not to wear their kippahs. And the reason for this recent increase in crime...growing AfD support.
Maybe the writer should click BBC's own related stories to check for another potential theory.
The bias is incredible. Is anyone still falling for it?
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@Rembrandt said in European Politics:
Stellar reporting. Anti-jewish attacks on the rise in Germany to the point where Jews are being advised not to wear their kippahs. And the reason for this recent increase in crime...growing AfD support.
Maybe the writer should click BBC's own related stories to check for another potential theory.
The bias is incredible. Is anyone still falling for it?
Yes, that must be it. Can't think of anything else that has happened in Germany recently that might cause a spike in antisemitism. I'm sure it's the ethnic Germans that Jews have to look out for.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in European Politics:
@Rembrandt said in European Politics:
Stellar reporting. Anti-jewish attacks on the rise in Germany to the point where Jews are being advised not to wear their kippahs. And the reason for this recent increase in crime...growing AfD support.
Maybe the writer should click BBC's own related stories to check for another potential theory.
The bias is incredible. Is anyone still falling for it?
Yes, that must be it. Can't think of anything else that has happened in Germany recently that might cause a spike in antisemitism. I'm sure it's the ethnic Germans that Jews have to look out for.
Not unheard of, you Holocaust Denier 😀
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OMG- this is a YUGE admission on the part of the queen of the liberals - Merkel.
Who would have thought?
Has common sense prevailed or is she just trying to protect her and her party's position?
Probably the latter.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451
Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.
She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.
The comments come amid rising anti-immigration feeling in Germany.
A recent survey suggested more than 30% of people believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".
The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 million of Germany's immigrants or people with foreign origins had come to the country for its social benefits.
Foreign workers
Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country."She added: "We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality."
Angela Merkel took pains to say immigrants are welcome.
The words "utterly failed" are very strong, but there are also nuanced messages about the usefulness of immigrants in a country that needs skilled labour.
She is pitching it very carefully, with important elections coming up in the spring.
The tone is very important.
The chancellor is basically saying that Germany needs immigrants but immigrants need to do something to get into the society.
Germany's charged immigration debate
"And of course, the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed."
inRead invented by Teads
In her speech in Potsdam, however, the chancellor made clear that immigrants were welcome in Germany.She specifically referred to recent comments by German President Christian Wulff who said that Islam was "part of Germany", like Christianity and Judaism.
Mrs Merkel said: "We should not be a country either which gives the impression to the outside world that those who don't speak German immediately or who were not raised speaking German are not welcome here."
Mounting debate
There has been intense debate about multiculturalism in Germany in recent months.Correspondents say Mrs Merkel faces pressure from within her CDU and its allies to take a tougher stance and require immigrants to do more to adapt to German society.
Earlier this week, Horst Seehofer, the leader of the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the CSU, said it was "obvious that immigrants from different cultures like Turkey and Arab countries, all in all, find it harder" to integrate.
"'Multikulti' is dead," Mr Seehofer said.
Earlier this month the chancellor held talks with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in which the two leaders pledged to do more to improve the often poor integration record of Germany's estimated 2.5 million-strong Turkish community.
The debate first heated up in August when Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany's central bank, said that "no immigrant group other than Muslims is so strongly connected with claims on the welfare state and crime". Mr Sarrazin has since resigned.
Such recent strong anti-immigration feelings from mainstream politicians come amid an anger in Germany about high unemployment, even if the economy is growing faster than those of its rivals, our correspondent says.
He adds that there also seems to be a new strident tone in the country, perhaps leading to less reticence about no-go-areas of the past.
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@Frank said in European Politics:
OMG- this is a YUGE admission on the part of the queen of the liberals - Merkel.
Who would have thought?
Has common sense prevailed or is she just trying to protect her and her party's position?
Probably the latter.Did you check the date on that article?