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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    @TeWaio And that a boundary four is better than a four-all-run, which is even more ridiculous!

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    @TeWaio The boundary rule was introduced to determine the winner in a tied super over in T20s, and it makes sense in that format of the game I suppose. The clowns at the ICC probably never envisaged this happening in a ODI CWC semi or final so applied the same rule to ODIs. Makes zero sense in the 50 over format.

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    @TeWaio said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    Imagine if, runs tied, England had 13 fours and 2 sixes across regular match + super over. And we had 10 fours and 4 sixes. Both teams have same runs, and same total runs from boundaries (64).

    England still win on number of boundaries (15 vs 14), even though we have more sixes.

    The boundary rule is presumably there to encourage more aggressive/swashbuckling play, but isn't even coherent in how it does that! It assumes boundaries are "better" than 1s and 2s, but not necessarily that 6s are better than 4s given the above. So it's completely ridiculous.

    especially when in todays cricket a lot of the ones and twos are saved right on the boundary

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    @akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    @TeWaio The boundary rule was introduced to determine the winner in a tied super over in T20s, and it makes sense in that format of the game I suppose. The clowns at the ICC probably never envisaged this happening in a ODI CWC semi or final so applied the same rule to ODIs. Makes zero sense in the 50 over format.

    Still don't reckon it makes sense for T20s, given my above example regarding 4s and 6s.

    If they want to have this stupid rule (and they shouldn't), it should be "total runs scored from boundaries" not "total number of boundaries".

    That way 6s are worth 1.5x 4s, i.e. like in the ACTUAL GAME. ICC need to give themselves an uppercut.

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    I had a real struggle not punching out a half English freshman who brought out the video of the Stokes overthrow to show me during class today. Gloating little shit.

    I Kaned it though “great game, that’s sport etc etc”

    Only just but.

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    @gt12 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    I had a real struggle not punching out a half English freshman who brought out the video of the Stokes overthrow to show me during class today. Gloating little shit.

    I Kaned it though “great game, that’s sport etc etc”

    Only just but.

    The verb to "Kane". Love it.

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    We were rorted!

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    @Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    So it was more than me just feeling sulky about it all...

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    I'm trying to figure out the 26 "lucky events for the opposition" in that table. Munro was selected 9 times which is a good start, and there were about 5 in the final, but outside of that Taylor/Kane run out back to the bowler I'm struggling to come up with the others.

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    @rotated Some of Guptill's dismissals (e.g., hit wicket).

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    'Luck' includes the catches we dropped. Which I guess is good luck for the opposition batsman but hardly unlucky for us.

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    A run, a run! My kingdom for one run!!

    The five stages of loss are progressing glacially...

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    @Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.

    But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!

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    @gt12 Most of the English team have been gracious in victory, but the gloating by some of their ex players, media and fans has been really hard to stomach.

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    @Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    A run, a run! My kingdom for one run!!

    The five stages of loss are progressing glacially...

    I'm at peace with the game being a tie and that's how it should/will be remembered, not the rule created by an ex-billionaire now spending life in prison for corruption and fraud.

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    @Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    @Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.

    But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!

    There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.

    I'd knight Sir BMac for finally giving closure to that 299 itch...

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    @Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    @Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    @Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.

    But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!

    There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.

    I'd knight Sir BMac for finally giving closure to that 299 itch...

    God, what a moment that was (Baz's ton).

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    @Cyclops @Donsteppa an emotional cricketing moment. When you think about Crowe and all he did and to not have that fortune of getting the triple and then a proud guy like Baz doing it, makes it one of the great NZ moments.

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    @Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:

    There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.

    2013 America's Cup also felt had a similar feeling of technical BS after the match winning race was flagged down with Barker in the lead and that there wouldn't be another campaign from a strictly financial sense.

    But then at least Oracle won one more race over the tie, and technical BS is essentially the name of the game in yachting.

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    @rotated we lost one race within sight of the finish line because TV rights dictated the race needed to be over in a time frame. Ridiculous

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    JFC, we have some fucked up people in this country.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12250938&utm_source=twitter%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dnzh_tw

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