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  • voodooV Offline
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    #972

    <p>So Owens wanted the kick taken in 60 seconds - and Carter the cynical bastard, just went right on ahead and took 69.  What a cnt.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>That said, I do agree about A Smith - I hated that penalty milking, where do you draw the line between what he did and an outright dive?</p>

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    #973

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="538332" data-time="1446431372"><p>So Owens wanted the kick taken in 60 seconds - and Carter the cynical bastard, just went right on ahead and took 69.  What a cnt.<br> <br>That said, I do agree about A Smith - I hated that penalty milking, where do you draw the line between what he did and an outright dive?</p></blockquote><br>You don't. Gregan was excellent at throwing passes into retiring players. Players he could have easily avoided, but that wouldn't get him a penalty. The attacking team should get the benefit of the doubt around the ruck.

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  • voodooV Offline
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    #974

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="538335" data-time="1446431834">
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    <p>You don't. Gregan was excellent at throwing passes into retiring players. Players he could have easily avoided, but that wouldn't get him a penalty. The attacking team should get the benefit of the doubt around the ruck.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Not saying it was Owens fault, I was disappointed in Smith's actions.</p>

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    #975

    <p>I wasn't. Players often take longer then they should to retire onside. They get in the way of attacking rugby. Milk it for all it's worth I say, if only to deter players from just jogging back.</p>

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  • voodooV Offline
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    #976

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="538340" data-time="1446432142">
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    <p>I wasn't. Players often take longer then they should to retire onside. They get in the way of attacking rugby. Milk it for all it's worth I say, if only to deter players from just jogging back.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Talking about the "trip" no passing into retiring players</p>

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    #977

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="538332" data-time="1446431372">
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    <p>That said, I do agree about A Smith - I hated that penalty milking, where do you draw the line between what he did and an outright dive?</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Up to the ref I guess - you see situations where a player is trapped by a leg or something at the back of a ruck, and lies still away from the ball so it can be cleared. Some refs will let it go, some won't.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I think if you're at the back of a ruck then you are putting your fate in someone else's hands.</p>

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    #978

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="538341" data-time="1446432215">
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    <p>Talking about the "trip" no passing into retiring players</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Moore was in the way, stopping Aaron Smith from having the option to run. Tough shit IMO.</p>

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  • voodooV Offline
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    <p>Sure, I'm not crying about it.  I'd just prefer us to not milk them at all costs you know, try and play the better rugby and all that.  One day after a cracking finals qin, and I'm already picking holes...</p>

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #980

    <p>There are plenty of cases where a 9 has the opportunity to clear it but simply passes it into the player as he is trying to get out of the way and milk a penalty, gamesmanship bordering on being a cock ;)</p>

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    #981

    <p>While Aaron Smith definitely made the most of it, from what I remember Moore actually lifted his leg up right at the time the ball was crossing the line of S Moore - it may have been purely concidental - it may not have been. </p>

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    #982

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="538213" data-time="1446421250"><p>
    Jeez guys can we let the reffing go? It's a bit sad. You won, deservedly. Each side can point to places where they feel hard done by. That's rugby.<br><br>
    This business of raking through decisions and non-decisions with a fine tooth comb just gets in the way of talking about the 30 blokes that really mattered.</p></blockquote>
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    Too right. The only decision that had a major impact on the game was the yellow card and that was 100% correct. Nearly had a heart attack when Owens removed what looked like a red card from his pocket. Thankfully it was just his little card case with the cards inside.

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    #983

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="538347" data-time="1446432520">
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    <p>Sure, I'm not crying about it.  I'd just prefer us to not milk them at all costs you know, try and play the better rugby and all that.  One day after a cracking finals qin, and I'm already picking holes...</p>
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    <p>There were other times in the match where A Smith passed the ball over a Wallaby player lying on the ground. I think "milking them at all costs" is going a bit far - Moore was definitely in the way in that instance so he made sure the Ref pinged him. It's what a good half-back does, nothing cynical in it at all IMO.</p>

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  • voodooV Offline
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    #984

    <p>He had a look and chose the best option available at the time - to play for the penalty.  If we had a 3 man overlap, I have no doubt he would have managed to avoid Moore's wild, flailing, offside leg...</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Agree "at all costs" is much too far, not intended at all</p>

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    #985

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="538352" data-time="1446434141"><p>There were other times in the match where A Smith passed the ball over a Wallaby player lying on the ground. I think "milking them at all costs" is going a bit far - Moore was definitely in the way in that instance so he made sure the Ref pinged him. It's what a good half-back does, nothing cynical in it at all IMO.</p></blockquote>
    When I saw the Moore one I thought it looked a bit 'contrived' but then he had lots more opportunities to do it again and didn't. Maybe he was too smart to think he would get away with it twice. Maybe Owens had a quiet word after the first one?

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    #986

    <p>If i were to participate in a bit of whataboutery (and i am not above such things) then i would start by saying something along the lines of "i prefer a halfback 'tripping' over a player lying behind the ruck, to such practices, as say, a certain Australian halfback throwing the ball forward into a retreating play, in order to milk the penalty, and being given it". Of course, on this occasion, i shall refrain.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>I love these "cynical" articles that get written about winning teams, it's like the particular journo thinks " you won, but you should have won saintlier" funny that losing teams are never cynical. </p>

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  • I Offline
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    #987

    A Smith had the opportunity to milk one in the lead up to our forward pass penalty, but didn't. This whataboutery scenario would have removed the forward pass sliding door, but opened wider the cynical sliding door.

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  • dogmeatD Offline
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    #988

    <p>The truly cynical bugger is Ackford himself, writing a clear piece of click bait, cynically pandering to an audience who want to be consoled that the AB's can't be that good they must be cheating.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>There are no saints in sports, just winners and losers.</p>

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    #989

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="538358" data-time="1446434719"><p>When I saw the Moore one I thought it looked a bit 'contrived' but then he had lots more opportunities to do it again and didn't. Maybe he was too smart to think he would get away with it twice. Maybe Owens had a quiet word after the first one?</p></blockquote><br>I've no doubt he had a word to Aaron. He did the same in Sydney when White milked a penalty off Woodcock - told him not to milk penalties.

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  • SiamS Offline
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    #990

    <p>On the English commentary feed, the bloke mentioned AT THE 50 Minute mark that it was the first time the Aussies had carried possession of the ball into the AB 22 - Staggering stat.</p>

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  • kiwiinmelbK Offline
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    #991

    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="538350" data-time="1446433234">
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    <p>Too right. The only decision that had a major impact on the game was the yellow card and that was 100% correct. Nearly had a heart attack when Owens removed what looked like a red card from his pocket. Thankfully it was just his little card case with the cards inside.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>I did the same thing , I saw the colour red in his hand and thought , fuck no , it cant be </p>

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