World Cup Final match thread
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<p>That said, I do agree about A Smith - I hated that penalty milking, where do you draw the line between what he did and an outright dive?</p>
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<p>Up to the ref I guess - you see situations where a player is trapped by a leg or something at the back of a ruck, and lies still away from the ball so it can be cleared. Some refs will let it go, some won't.</p>
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<p>Talking about the "trip" no passing into retiring players</p>
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<p>Moore was in the way, stopping Aaron Smith from having the option to run. Tough shit IMO.</p> -
<p>There are plenty of cases where a 9 has the opportunity to clear it but simply passes it into the player as he is trying to get out of the way and milk a penalty, gamesmanship bordering on being a cock ;)</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="barbarian" data-cid="538213" data-time="1446421250"><p>
Jeez guys can we let the reffing go? It's a bit sad. You won, deservedly. Each side can point to places where they feel hard done by. That's rugby.<br><br>
This business of raking through decisions and non-decisions with a fine tooth comb just gets in the way of talking about the 30 blokes that really mattered.</p></blockquote>
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Too right. The only decision that had a major impact on the game was the yellow card and that was 100% correct. Nearly had a heart attack when Owens removed what looked like a red card from his pocket. Thankfully it was just his little card case with the cards inside. -
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<p>Sure, I'm not crying about it. I'd just prefer us to not milk them at all costs you know, try and play the better rugby and all that. One day after a cracking finals qin, and I'm already picking holes...</p>
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<p>There were other times in the match where A Smith passed the ball over a Wallaby player lying on the ground. I think "milking them at all costs" is going a bit far - Moore was definitely in the way in that instance so he made sure the Ref pinged him. It's what a good half-back does, nothing cynical in it at all IMO.</p> -
<p>He had a look and chose the best option available at the time - to play for the penalty. If we had a 3 man overlap, I have no doubt he would have managed to avoid Moore's wild, flailing, offside leg...</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="538352" data-time="1446434141"><p>There were other times in the match where A Smith passed the ball over a Wallaby player lying on the ground. I think "milking them at all costs" is going a bit far - Moore was definitely in the way in that instance so he made sure the Ref pinged him. It's what a good half-back does, nothing cynical in it at all IMO.</p></blockquote>
When I saw the Moore one I thought it looked a bit 'contrived' but then he had lots more opportunities to do it again and didn't. Maybe he was too smart to think he would get away with it twice. Maybe Owens had a quiet word after the first one? -
<p>If i were to participate in a bit of whataboutery (and i am not above such things) then i would start by saying something along the lines of "i prefer a halfback 'tripping' over a player lying behind the ruck, to such practices, as say, a certain Australian halfback throwing the ball forward into a retreating play, in order to milk the penalty, and being given it". Of course, on this occasion, i shall refrain.</p>
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<p>I love these "cynical" articles that get written about winning teams, it's like the particular journo thinks " you won, but you should have won saintlier" funny that losing teams are never cynical. </p> -
A Smith had the opportunity to milk one in the lead up to our forward pass penalty, but didn't. This whataboutery scenario would have removed the forward pass sliding door, but opened wider the cynical sliding door.
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<p>The truly cynical bugger is Ackford himself, writing a clear piece of click bait, cynically pandering to an audience who want to be consoled that the AB's can't be that good they must be cheating.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="538358" data-time="1446434719"><p>When I saw the Moore one I thought it looked a bit 'contrived' but then he had lots more opportunities to do it again and didn't. Maybe he was too smart to think he would get away with it twice. Maybe Owens had a quiet word after the first one?</p></blockquote><br>I've no doubt he had a word to Aaron. He did the same in Sydney when White milked a penalty off Woodcock - told him not to milk penalties.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="538350" data-time="1446433234">
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<p>Too right. The only decision that had a major impact on the game was the yellow card and that was 100% correct. Nearly had a heart attack when Owens removed what looked like a red card from his pocket. Thankfully it was just his little card case with the cards inside.</p>
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<p>I did the same thing , I saw the colour red in his hand and thought , fuck no , it cant be </p> -
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<p>Sure, I'm not crying about it. I'd just prefer us to not milk them at all costs you know, try and play the better rugby and all that. One day after a cracking finals qin, and I'm already picking holes...</p>
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<p>Smith did it early to get some cheap territory, when the ABs were in their own half. Later, getting toward our 22, he jumped over and around whatever was on offer.</p>
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<p>Tactical. No problem with it <em>now </em>... during the game I was calling him a Freddie Mercury-faced little porn-tached fuck knuckle.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="538376" data-time="1446438541"><p>I'd like to know the method that led you to come to that conclusion?</p></blockquote>
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You're obviously annoyed about Kepu staying on, right? You've brought it up a number of times. <br><br>
So, given you're pissed about that, you can surely see why Aussies will be pissed about the decisions that went against them. But If you can't, fine. I won't try to convince you any further as I'm not really that bothered. -
<p>What an interesting thread into the world of being an AB fan. You seriously can't win.. even though we did!</p>
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<p>Was a great game, and all the twits (mainly Welsh, and Kearns) who scrap on about Joubert from 2011 etc, need to find something else to clutch at straws at. It doesn't matter guys, we won, it's on the trophy, it's all over. Back to back, first time ever, and finally a WC record, which is at the top of the pile - much more reflective of the results this sporting team has achieved. Anyway, some more salient points on the team, the tournament as whole.</p>
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<p>Positive.</p>
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<p>1. Best WC ever - undoubtedly. Some amazing games, HUGE crowds, incredible final and brilliant stadia.</p>
<p>2. No real complete blowouts - the global standard of world rugby is up up and up</p>
<p>3. Australia - quite incredible what Cheika has done, hat-tips to him and the team. Respect</p>
<p>4. Japan / Eddie Jones - Eddie Jones takes a lot of flak, but that Japan team is something special. 3 WC wins, thats a huge result</p>
<p>5. Richie / Dan - I can't offer anymore than what others have, it's been such a privilege, these guys deserve it all.</p>
<p>6. Nonu - How he didn't get a WPOTY nomination I don't know. Maybe he was mixed up with Savea? I read Barbarians GAGR post yesterday and he said he believed Nonu to be the best player in the world at the moment - hard to disagree.</p>
<p>7. Owens - it's not a co-incidence that games he manages are frequently voted as the best. The absolute best ref going.</p>
<p>9. Bernard Foley - I was a huge doubter. But that young fella is absolute top class player. Full credit to you.</p>
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<p>Negative</p>
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<p>1. Media. Seriously what a fucking joke. Almost all of you. There is some good out there, but can those who write just to piss people off, please piss themselves off? Permanently?</p>
<p>2. Social Media - in among the great comments/analysts, you have 99% of the population being a complete dickheads. Pretty sad really, the state of affairs that is the planet population if social media is reflective of it.</p>
<p>3. People who tell me I shouldn't comment as not played since I was 18. You guys really don't get it. Back off.</p>
<p>4. Whoever selected the "global coverage" commentators. That Irish fella had identified himself as a huge Australia supporter earlier on the tournament in the Aussie Wales game. Seriously, more one-eyed than Kearns. Horrible listening to him referring to Australia as Ireland.</p>
<p>5. Samoa - WTF happened to you guys?</p>
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<p>But I don't want to drown in the negatives. A great tournament, a great final, a great result, some great players going out in the greatest possible way. A world cup victory away from home, beating France, SA, and Australia. Sporting immortality.</p>
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<p>Kia Kaha. Black.</p>
