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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Catogrande I’m confused.
I thought they didn’t vote in the weekend ... just voted to not vote?
Which in itself is a vote. Bercow’s position is that this issue had already been dealt with. @Baron-Silas-Greenback I’m certainly no Bercow fan and to me it seems that most of his big calls have come down on one side. However, I think Boris is making it that bit easier for him in the manner in which he is going about things. Best way to piss the Speaker off? Trample over Parliamentary protocol. British politics 101.
Most? Name one big decision that he hasnt decided in favour of Remain
And please dont try an tell em that Bercow is some sort of champion of protocol, he has trampled all over it himself!
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Which in itself is a vote. Bercow’s position is that this issue had already been dealt with.
If the EU declines the extension I have a feeling he may very quickly change his tune.
It's very telling that everyone trying to be a hero and make a spectacle of themselves throughout the past six months is leaving parliament at the next election including Bercow, Letwin etc.
Shirley not. I mean apparently it has already been voted on, which is plainly bullshit.
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In light of Bercow's move I wonder if Johnson could send an additional letter to the EU advising that Parliament won't allow a vote to try and pass the agreement, as such they reject the deal and will be leaving on WTO terms on the 31st October so there will be no requirement for an extension.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Catogrande I’m confused.
I thought they didn’t vote in the weekend ... just voted to not vote?
Which in itself is a vote. Bercow’s position is that this issue had already been dealt with. @Baron-Silas-Greenback I’m certainly no Bercow fan and to me it seems that most of his big calls have come down on one side. However, I think Boris is making it that bit easier for him in the manner in which he is going about things. Best way to piss the Speaker off? Trample over Parliamentary protocol. British politics 101.
....And please dont try an tell em that Bercow is some sort of champion of protocol, he has trampled all over it himself!
I'm not. Thought that was pretty clear?
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Mixed Evening for Johnson. The Brexit withdrawal Bill got through on its second reading by more than 20 votes meaning it is likely to become law.
But he lost the programme motion. Meaning there will be more than three days debate before the third reading. MPs can try to amend it or put in place short term delays. An October 31st Brexit looks very unlikely.
Johnson has pulled the bill until he knows what sort of extension the EU will grant.
Johnson would love a General Election.
I think more likely is that the EU will grant only a limited extension. The debate will start up again in Parliament, the Withdrawal Bill will get through by the end of November with only minor amendments and the UK will be out of the EU by late November.
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If parliament has plenty of time to add amendments then what will result is either something the ERG won't vote for (Customs Union, second referendum) or something the EU won't accept (no customs border down the Irish Sea) and we're back to square one. Parliament are taking the piss here.
Hopefully as @sparky says it'll be a short 1 month extension just to get the legislation through unamended, then we leave Nov 30th and have an election mid-December.
Johnson has been considering a 1-line bill about an early election to get around the 2/3rds majority needed under the Fixed Term Parliament Act. Ken Clarke in the press this morning saying if he proposed that bill, he'd add an amendment to give 16-17 year olds the vote.
Amazing how much an obstructive prick you can be when not worrying about re-election (cc: Greaves, Letwin et al).
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Tusk has pretty much so said he's prepared to extend. EU don't want to be seen to the one that caused no-deal. So that's pretty much so a done deal.
Johnson will be gungho for election, and Corbyn, if a man of his word, should agree and we should be off to the races.
Haha, yeah right.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Tusk has pretty much so said he's prepared to extend. EU don't want to be seen to the one that caused no-deal. So that's pretty much so a done deal.
Johnson will be gungho for election, and Corbyn, if a man of his word, should agree and we should be off to the races.
Haha, yeah right.
I get the impression that Corbyn is now backpedalling on an election.
Is that an incorrect impression?Corbyn has everything he stated he wanted before committing to an election, so surely he'd be raring to go?
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Why are potential Labor leaders so paralyzed? Even most Labor voters accept that Corbyn is a sitting duck and while he seems to be winning daily procedural skirmishes its difficult to envisage how he wins an election regardless of how Brexit plays out (revoke, remain, 2nd refferendum, Brexit successfully) all end in Labor nowhere near power.
The writing is on the wall with the second reading vote. Better to make Corbyn the sacrificial lamb and put some clear air between Labor and Brexit.
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@rotated I’d guess because at the top end they live in a socialist paradise echo chamber and further down the line why create turmoil in your own party when you see the conservatives as imploding? (though I actually think matters are now improving for the tories).
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Why are potential Labor leaders so paralyzed? Even most Labor voters accept that Corbyn is a sitting duck and while he seems to be winning daily procedural skirmishes its difficult to envisage how he wins an election regardless of how Brexit plays out (revoke, remain, 2nd refferendum, Brexit successfully) all end in Labor nowhere near power.
The writing is on the wall with the second reading vote. Better to make Corbyn the sacrificial lamb and put some clear air between Labor and Brexit.
Mostly because Momentum have captured and cowed a great many of the local electorate committees and the NEC. They act as a praetorian guard for Corbyn. But they’re also an ideologically purist Trotskyite faction who would rather back the likeminded Corbyn and lose than compromise, and they’re not about to let anybody else compromise either. Labour is stuck with Corbyn until he decides he will go.
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What!? What?!!! They're delaying the decision on the delay!?
https://news.sky.com/story/eu-delays-brexit-extension-decision-11844673
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Have I got this right?
They can't progress on the deal as parliament is blocking it.
A GE can't be called until Labour agrees to it.
Labour will never agree to it as they will be destroyed.
Now the EU are delaying their decision on an extension.This all just seems like a way to delay brexit indefinitely.
Boris has done his legal duty and asked for an extension, I say call everyone's bluff stick with your promise and leave with no-deal on the 31st, at this point you could even blame Labour for the decision.
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@Rembrandt just as a matter of interest, what makes you think Labour would get destroyed? I’m expecting the right to get punished - and they probably deserve to - for presiding over this circus like a bunch of self-serving, backstabbing chancers. No party can claim to have acted consistently in the best interests of the country on this one. Both sides deserve to get flogged and I’m not convinced the supporters will turn out in great numbers to vote for their opponents but they probably, like me, don’t feel much like encouraging more of this shit either. I reckon turn out will be low and it’s anybody’s game. For the record I’ll vote Tory because I think voting is a duty, but I’ll feel shit doing it.
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