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<p>I'm not sure if I explained my idea clearly. Although testing for existence and early detection is a key what I am talking about is tests for the gene (or whatever) that determines whether you are susceptible. eg if you could tell that you were rated high risk you would take extra caution.</p>
<p>Everyone knows the stories of someone cancer free all their life while doing things that should have been high risk yet others that get cancers from the merest trigger. My grandmother lived her life in the sun without sunscreen and smoked until her death. Not a trace of cancer. From what I understand it is genetics that cause susceptibility not any form of immunity. </p>
<p>More effort into creating testing for these genetic triggers would highlight susceptible people rather than relying on people finding out for themselves the hard way.</p>
<p>Of course there is an argument that 'low risk' people would not take as much care as they should, that is down to education eg as far as we can tell you are not high risk but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions.</p>
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<p>Tying this back to the drug conversation, the same could apply to addiction. I think it is already known that people's brain react differently to stimulus and endorphin production. For some logic gets switched off and the bad dude on your shoulder takes over. Once you start you can't stop. You can stop without starting though. Again if you could identify and test for this on an individual you could save a lot of problems down te track.</p> -
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<p>Really ? shit, that's unusual coming across someone who hasn't at least tried it.</p>
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<p>+1 Never been interested in smoking anything, cigarettes or pot. Abused the hell out of alcohol though, so not sure I made all that healthy a choice :)</p>
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<p>Pretty impressive for two guys that went to school in Whangarei to have avoided dope.</p> -
<p>Two of my mates also avoided it (one inadvertently had hash cake in his 20's and was pissed off no one told him) another couple of mates were into it, one of thems older brother/cousin was a bit of a stoner in his teens, but he did move up from Auckland
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<p>Really ? shit, that's unusual coming across someone who hasn't at least tried it.</p>
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<p>Add me to that roll call - so far there's four "unusual" posters on this thread then. :)</p>
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<p>Not too fussed about what others do with whatever substances (within reason!), just wasn't a good idea for me for a number of reasons - so no point in even trying them.</p> -
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<p>Two of my mates also avoided it (one inadvertently had hash cake in his 20's and was pissed off no one told him) another couple of mates were into it, one of thems older brother/cousin was a bit of a stoner in his teens, but he did move up from Auckland so it wasn't that I wasnt exposed to it.</p>
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<p>It was only at every bloody party I went to in Whangarei :)</p> -
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<p>15 years in Amsterdam and never tried it. Hmmmm, I think that just means we are boring?!?</p>
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Add me to that roll call - so far there's four "unusual" posters on this thread then. :)<br><br>
Not too fussed about what others do with whatever substances (within reason!), just wasn't a good idea for me for a number of reasons - so no point in even trying them.</p></blockquote>
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And like Kirwan never even puffed a cigarette. Cloest i got was breathing near a cigar when my daughter was born and it was expected.<br><br>
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<p>To those posters who tried P, can I ask why? I'm not judging, I'm just interested in what the thought processes were that made you think you'd try something that I'm guessing you'd heard beforehand was a bad idea. I can see the point where there is some ambiguity or debate as to the harmfulness (like dope or alcohol) but I don't understand trying something where the ambiguity doesn't appear to exist.</p>
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<p>To those posters who tried P, can I ask why? I'm not judging, I'm just interested in what the thought processes were that made you think you'd try something that I'm guessing you'd heard beforehand was a bad idea. I can see the point where there is some ambiguity or debate as to the harmfulness (like dope or alcohol) but I don't understand trying something where the ambiguity doesn't appear to exist.</p>
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<p>You could apply the same logic to alcohol.</p>
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<p>Thought process is this....Potentially could fun, trying it once would do very little harm.</p> -
<p>plus I think some/most of us tried it very early on as it took over from speed etc. So there wasn't much in the way of news or any info about it's impact. As soon as it got media visibility stories were connecting it with Ice/P issues in Hawaii and other places. Then we started to learn it was bad news.</p>
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Not familiar with this in the UK - is P speed but smoked?<br><br>
Now that my kids are going to secondary school drugs are beginning concern me. Obviously it was fine for me back in the day as I was careful...And that's the thing, you just have to trust they make the right choices.<br><br>
Currently the teenagers drugs of choice seem to be weed and "dizz" (ecstasy/mdma) along with alcohol making a bit of comeback.<br><br>
Weed seems to have changed so much. Now mainly super-strength skunk it makes the old stuff seems relatively harmless. I hope my kids steer well clear until they are a lot older, at least until uni when their brains are more fully developed and they are in a better position to make reasoned decisions about these things. -
The worst thing about P is how the rest of us have to suffer not having easy access to decent cold and flu medicine because some Scrotes want it as precursor. <br>
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<p>I think P is uncut speed - methamphetamine, or "ice" in pure form as they call it. "P" for "pure"</p>
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<p>I never knew that. Literally no where else calls it P so when I was first back in NZ & they were talking about it took me ages to realise they were talking about the Meth. I always assumed it was some retarded shit like metham<em><strong>P</strong></em>hetamine. Like the way the Americans call E X, cause they can't fucking spell.</p> -
I can't keep up. I swear if was ever approached by a dealer, I'd need to ask a full PowerPoint presentation describing the pros and cons of everything on sale with full recommendations at the end. <br><br>
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<p>I can't keep up. I swear if was ever approached by a dealer, I'd need to ask a full PowerPoint presentation describing the pros and cons of everything on sale with full recommendations at the end.<br><br>
Otherwise you get one letter wrong and fuck knows what's going to happen!</p>
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<p>First time I went to Amsterdam (fresh out of NZ many yerars ago) we ordered weed & as with NZ weed didn't cut it in with tobacco. And then smoked it. Agressively & in some quantity</p>
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That almost makes me feel nostalgic... <br><br>
Nowadays it seems everything is the hydroponically grown, genetically modified, bastard offspring of what was once a natural plant. It's weed on steroids. Kids need to go easy on it, which isn't straightforward if you've already got your party hat on.
