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<p>I just mean similar to those associated with Alcohol which is widely available, yet people still break in to places to steal it, people still abuse it, alcoholism etc...</p>
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<p>Problem is that in all of these cases you are dealing with addictive substances. Just like gambling people are wired differently. Some can't even see the attraction. Some can let it go very easily and others get hooked.</p>
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<p>Different drugs also have stronger triggers for addiction.</p>
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<p>The thing I never get is that we know things like this and focus on finding balance between the harm caused to those that become addicted easily and the enjoyment and freedom of others. We never seem to look at providing tests for the root cause (addiction levels). If I was able to have a test that said 'steer clear of drugs with these qualities' or ' you are likely to be susceptible to gambling addiction' or 'alcohol will not be your friend' then at least I would be making an informed decision on whether to do something.</p>
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<p>It's a bit like cancers (melanoma is a good example). Some people get them easily others not at all with even more exposure. Rather than targeting the lowest denominator and telling everyone to be super cautious, I'd like to know what my personal risk level is.</p>
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<p>Was watching an episode of The Knick last night Clive Owens character was looking at discovering the part of the brain that caused addiction, thinking he had discovered it, removed a piece of his subjects brain...another of the Dr's had a suggestion of a vasectomy as a way to reduce the chances of further addiction.</p>
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<p>I agree with you on the cancer thing, surely it'd be more cost effective to allow everyone a free exam/mole map/tesing every year to catch things early rather than waiting to find out people have it, and then try and treat it.</p>
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<p>I worked with a guy in the UK who had no symptoms whatsoever, went to the Dr for a sore back, within 2 months was dead as he was riddled.</p>
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<p>are stoners notoriously industrious and patient ;)</p>
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<p>Because I've never tried it, it isn't something that I think about in terms of legalizing or not.</p>
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<p>#TSFthreadDiversion</p>
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<p> Could have put that at the top!</p>
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<p>Anyway - us blokes, particularly as we head toward 40, should consider regular checkups and blood tests as part of the fitness thing. Women do pap smears which helps identify one of their most hard-to-treat cancers.</p> -
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<p>We put a lot more effort into cure than cause.</p>
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<p>Which is idiotic when the only cure is immortality. Better screening, early intervention and less destructive treatments.</p>
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<p>I've often said that of men were truly concerned about colon cancer, we'd have invented an additive to beer that came up a fluorescent blue colour when urinating telling you something's not quite right.</p>
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<p>I worked with a guy in the UK who had no symptoms whatsoever, went to the Dr for a sore back, within 2 months was dead as he was riddled.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure if I explained my idea clearly. Although testing for existence and early detection is a key what I am talking about is tests for the gene (or whatever) that determines whether you are susceptible. eg if you could tell that you were rated high risk you would take extra caution.</p>
<p>Everyone knows the stories of someone cancer free all their life while doing things that should have been high risk yet others that get cancers from the merest trigger. My grandmother lived her life in the sun without sunscreen and smoked until her death. Not a trace of cancer. From what I understand it is genetics that cause susceptibility not any form of immunity. </p>
<p>More effort into creating testing for these genetic triggers would highlight susceptible people rather than relying on people finding out for themselves the hard way.</p>
<p>Of course there is an argument that 'low risk' people would not take as much care as they should, that is down to education eg as far as we can tell you are not high risk but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions.</p>
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<p>Tying this back to the drug conversation, the same could apply to addiction. I think it is already known that people's brain react differently to stimulus and endorphin production. For some logic gets switched off and the bad dude on your shoulder takes over. Once you start you can't stop. You can stop without starting though. Again if you could identify and test for this on an individual you could save a lot of problems down te track.</p> -
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<p>Really ? shit, that's unusual coming across someone who hasn't at least tried it.</p>
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<p>+1 Never been interested in smoking anything, cigarettes or pot. Abused the hell out of alcohol though, so not sure I made all that healthy a choice :)</p>
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<p>Two of my mates also avoided it (one inadvertently had hash cake in his 20's and was pissed off no one told him) another couple of mates were into it, one of thems older brother/cousin was a bit of a stoner in his teens, but he did move up from Auckland
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<p>Really ? shit, that's unusual coming across someone who hasn't at least tried it.</p>
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<p>Add me to that roll call - so far there's four "unusual" posters on this thread then. :)</p>
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<p>Not too fussed about what others do with whatever substances (within reason!), just wasn't a good idea for me for a number of reasons - so no point in even trying them.</p> -
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<p>Two of my mates also avoided it (one inadvertently had hash cake in his 20's and was pissed off no one told him) another couple of mates were into it, one of thems older brother/cousin was a bit of a stoner in his teens, but he did move up from Auckland so it wasn't that I wasnt exposed to it.</p>
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<p>It was only at every bloody party I went to in Whangarei :)</p> -
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<p>15 years in Amsterdam and never tried it. Hmmmm, I think that just means we are boring?!?</p>
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Add me to that roll call - so far there's four "unusual" posters on this thread then. :)<br><br>
Not too fussed about what others do with whatever substances (within reason!), just wasn't a good idea for me for a number of reasons - so no point in even trying them.</p></blockquote>
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And like Kirwan never even puffed a cigarette. Cloest i got was breathing near a cigar when my daughter was born and it was expected.<br><br>
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<p>To those posters who tried P, can I ask why? I'm not judging, I'm just interested in what the thought processes were that made you think you'd try something that I'm guessing you'd heard beforehand was a bad idea. I can see the point where there is some ambiguity or debate as to the harmfulness (like dope or alcohol) but I don't understand trying something where the ambiguity doesn't appear to exist.</p>
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<p>To those posters who tried P, can I ask why? I'm not judging, I'm just interested in what the thought processes were that made you think you'd try something that I'm guessing you'd heard beforehand was a bad idea. I can see the point where there is some ambiguity or debate as to the harmfulness (like dope or alcohol) but I don't understand trying something where the ambiguity doesn't appear to exist.</p>
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<p>You could apply the same logic to alcohol.</p>
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<p>Thought process is this....Potentially could fun, trying it once would do very little harm.</p> -
<p>plus I think some/most of us tried it very early on as it took over from speed etc. So there wasn't much in the way of news or any info about it's impact. As soon as it got media visibility stories were connecting it with Ice/P issues in Hawaii and other places. Then we started to learn it was bad news.</p>
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Not familiar with this in the UK - is P speed but smoked?<br><br>
Now that my kids are going to secondary school drugs are beginning concern me. Obviously it was fine for me back in the day as I was careful...And that's the thing, you just have to trust they make the right choices.<br><br>
Currently the teenagers drugs of choice seem to be weed and "dizz" (ecstasy/mdma) along with alcohol making a bit of comeback.<br><br>
Weed seems to have changed so much. Now mainly super-strength skunk it makes the old stuff seems relatively harmless. I hope my kids steer well clear until they are a lot older, at least until uni when their brains are more fully developed and they are in a better position to make reasoned decisions about these things. -
The worst thing about P is how the rest of us have to suffer not having easy access to decent cold and flu medicine because some Scrotes want it as precursor. <br>
The "drug store" here in Denver can't sell us a decent head cold medicine because we don't have a US drivers licence yet the "dispensary" a few doors down can sell me a big pile of weed.
