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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan A difference was that Little saw similar results to these, knew he wasn't the answer, and arranged the transition himself (he resigned and nominated Ardern for leader). Bridges has had to be pushed, which always looks worse.
If it is done then it is relatively bloodless. Contrast what happened with Cunliffe, that was very harmful
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
If it is done then it is relatively bloodless. Contrast what happened with Cunliffe, that was very harmful
It is done - and good luck to Muller. Mammoth task.
Shearer and Bridges felt a bit similar - in other circumstances, they may well have had a real crack at it, but just never got a connection to the electorate. Bridges really struggled with the blink test, just didn't engage the casual voter, and absolutely killed by crises happening that played to Jacinda's empathy and communication strengths.
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@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I’m not sure that Muller can turn things around for National by September. However, I’ve thought for a while that he was the best National MP in Tauranga by far.
Doesn't come across well (so far). Bit of a chancer. May be competent but lacks a connection with people.
However, Bridges got mullered, so the caucus must see something in him.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I’m not sure that Muller can turn things around for National by September. However, I’ve thought for a while that he was the best National MP in Tauranga by far.
Doesn't come across well (so far). Bit of a chancer. May be competent but lacks a connection with people.
However, Bridges got mullered, so the caucus must see something in him.
Bridges was hopeless. almost embarrassingly bad
Muller is impressive. And the contrast with Bridges is massive
Jacinda will have a challenge now as opposed to no concerns before. And a young female as a deputy. Could be a formidable team -
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I’m not sure that Muller can turn things around for National by September. However, I’ve thought for a while that he was the best National MP in Tauranga by far.
Doesn't come across well (so far). Bit of a chancer. May be competent but lacks a connection with people.
My experience so far is that he connects well in person. I suspect their electoral chances might have been better with Nikki in charge and Todd as deputy, but I think either way is stronger than the Simon and Paula team.
I was surprised at how low Simon ranked Todd in his original caucus, so perhaps this has been brewing prior to Simon taking charge.
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@Winger said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I’m not sure that Muller can turn things around for National by September. However, I’ve thought for a while that he was the best National MP in Tauranga by far.
Doesn't come across well (so far). Bit of a chancer. May be competent but lacks a connection with people.
However, Bridges got mullered, so the caucus must see something in him.
Bridges was hopeless. almost embarrassingly bad
Muller is impressive. And the contrast with Bridges is massive
Jacinda will have a challenge now as opposed to no concerns before. And a young female as a deputy. Could be a formidable teamNo denying that Bridges was useless but I'd love to hear your reasoning behind 'Muller is impressive'.
Are you just going off first appearances or do you have some background that we aren't aware off?
I'm only asking because most of us know SFA about the guy.
Isn't he famous for upsetting farmers by helping push through the Zero Carbon Bill?
We know that he is apparently a Boomer.
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@Tim I heard this today. I have a co-worker from a Canterbury farming family. He's pro-National and his father is a national party member. He said it's a poison chalice with juggernaut Ardern to go up against and that his dad thinks Todd Mcleay MP for Rotorua was a potential leader in waiting.
I know nothing about anything in NZ politics so please feel free to enlighten me
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@raznomore said in NZ Politics:
@Tim I heard this today. I have a co-worker from a Canterbury farming family. He's pro-National and his father is a national party member. He said it's a poison chalice with juggernaut Ardern to go up against and that his dad thinks Todd Mcleay MP for Rotorua was a potential leader in waiting.
I know nothing about anything in NZ politics so please feel to enlighten me
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Only caught the last five minutes of that. He seemed to come across pretty well. Doesn't as yet have the punchable demeanour that Bridges had.
Bridges pretty much had to go due to Jacinda's performance over the last few months.
Did Bridges ever poll well as preferred Prime Minister? When I say that, I mean in comparison to National's party polling which has been pretty strong over the last few years even in opposition.
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@Crucial I didn't see it only heard it on radio. Disappointing if he was that poor however I thought his messaging was spot on and he didn't stray from it during questioning.
United caucus. It's all about the economy. Labour have done a terrific job managing COVID. Did I mention it was all about the economy. National is the party for the common person. Take it back from the Wtn bureaucrats. Who do you trust the party of the economy with all our talent or Labour who have presided over two years of failure to deliver. Por old Labour 2-3 talents and 17 empty seats (cruel but true). We will get people back into jobs, get the economy back on track. Great job Cindy but now the real work starting let someone who knows what they are doing take over.
On the radio at least Mullers first presser as Leader was better than any of Bridges over the last 2 1/2 years.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Just watching his first speech. Man does he need some rapid communication training. Holds his head down reading off his speech notes instead of just talking naturally. Has not looked like he is talking to the viewers once yet.
So he's not a natural in the John Key mould then? It does matter.....
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I didn't see it only heard it on radio. Disappointing if he was that poor however I thought his messaging was spot on and he didn't stray from it during questioning.
United caucus. It's all about the economy. Labour have done a terrific job managing COVID. Did I mention it was all about the economy. National is the party for the common person. Take it back from the Wtn bureaucrats. Who do you trust the party of the economy with all our talent or Labour who have presided over two years of failure to deliver. Por old Labour 2-3 talents and 17 empty seats (cruel but true). We will get people back into jobs, get the economy back on track. Great job Cindy but now the real work starting let someone who knows what they are doing take over.
On the radio at least Mullers first presser as Leader was better than any of Bridges over the last 2 1/2 years.
Yep, his message was the right one. It was just delivered with a very wooden personality and at times appeared like a schooled on class speech day. I'm sure that aspect will change if he takes on some training but you can't invent personality without looking false.
He does need to back up his over-arching ideal with some concrete policy quickly though. All very well saying 'we are the best and brightest' but you need to show people something to support that.
In very crude terms he came across as a 'businessman'. That will certainly appeal to some but to others he will be seen as 'another white male manager'. Is that going to play well against the nation's current 'mum'? We will see.
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