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@taniwharugby she's been back on the usual travel cycle, was opening a school in Christchurch the other day.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Kiwibuild targets were too ambitious for the conservative fiscal approach to it.
Certainly consistent with the narrative that they have lots of ideas but no idea how to implement them
what, throwing money at things doesn't get results? Quelle horreur
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Kiwibuild targets were too ambitious for the conservative fiscal approach to it.
Certainly consistent with the narrative that they have lots of ideas but no idea how to implement them
what, throwing money at things doesn't get results? Quelle horreur
Yes, I'm shocked
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Kiwibuild targets were too ambitious for the conservative fiscal approach to it.
It’s almost like they learned the theory but have never had to run an actual business or implement anything.
Add in their consistent surprise at unintended consequences (like attacking landlords raising rents for the poor), and the damage these clowns are doing is huge.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Kiwibuild targets were too ambitious for the conservative fiscal approach to it.
It’s almost like they learned the theory but have never had to run an actual business or implement anything.
Add in their consistent surprise at unintended consequences (like attacking landlords raising rents for the poor), and the damage these clowns are doing is huge.
And Cindy's penchant for recruiting lawyers, community medical people and probably more teachers instead of actual business people that run actual businesses into her caucus will not help.
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@canefan I think it's more likely to solidify their vote - maybe take a few off labour.
Greens wet dream must be Labour get 47 ish seats, NZF fail to clear 5% and they hold the balance of power alone.
Their wealth tax works towards that strategy. Takes away from Labour some of the less centrist socialists making them more important in any coalition but unlikely to cost them any votes.
It's also good for everyone else too - except Labour. Gives all the centre right parties a stick to beat Labour and the Greens with. Terrible for Labour for that very reason. Last thing they want is a debate over tax
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@canefan I think it's more likely to solidify their vote - maybe take a few off labour.
Greens wet dream must be Labour get 47 ish seats, NZF fail to clear 5% and they hold the balance of power alone.
Their wealth tax works towards that strategy. Takes away from Labour some of the less centrist socialists making them more important in any coalition but unlikely to cost them any votes.
It's also good for everyone else too - except Labour. Gives all the centre right parties a stick to beat Labour and the Greens with. Terrible for Labour for that very reason. Last thing they want is a debate over tax
Labour would not agree to such a tax anyway I reckon, it would scare away centrist middle class voters
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Muller said he doesn't think the border needs to be opened up anytime soon, but that the Government should provide a strategy and criteria for it.
"I'm not saying in any way that this is short-term, but what I am saying is this thinking should be put in the public. We should be reflecting about that as New Zealanders and saying, how would that work?"
Surely now would be a good time for National to front up with a strategy?
It is easy to say one thing, but to do so without a plan seems like he is being oppositional for the sake of it, which I thought he said he wasnt wanting to do?
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Oh god, back to this whole 'tell us the criteria' rubbish.
Every day new information comes out about the virus and about how countries are coping.
To try and pin a target on a moving animal is hardly helpful for business confidence.
Sure, it would be lovely if we had this clear situation where we could say international borders open to these people at these thresholds but what happens when those thresholds become redundant because of something else? Everyone then gets upset saying they have wasted planning and the goalposts have moved.We are 6 months into the world dealing with a previously unknown enemy. That isn't really that long.
What happens if COVID gets back to communities in NZ? Do we go all L4 again and fuck over everyone getting back on their feet? Or do we say 'fuck it we tried and give up. Let the thing do it's worst and we'll see what is left at the other end'.
Neither seem a good outcome for an economic recovery.
At least in the current set up we can have people out working, making exports, getting on with their lives and businesses adjusting to known situations. That puts us in a better place to look after the casualties of the first half of the year. -
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Every day new information comes out about the virus and about how countries are coping.
To try and pin a target on a moving animal is hardly helpful for business confidence.I agree, this is fast moving and changing.
That said, there should be some broad scenarios articulated that show paths out of this mess. Which one you choose is ultimately up to the government and the way that this plays out, but having some broad resilience responses is super important.
So, top of my head:
Scenario 1 - Best case
Vaccine gets developed, tested, produced and deployed in the next 18 months
Anyone who's vaccinated can enter NZ
Once virus eradicated internationally, back to L0 and get on with your life.Scenario 2 - Intermediate case
Vaccine expected in the next few years, maybe reliable fast testing available
... ???Scenario 3 - Worst case
No Vaccine possible due to nature of virus (like AIDS), testing still slow and unreliable
choice: open borders with consequent effects; ramp up quarantine/managed isolation and offer luxury upgrades, or continue to be a fortressWhat concerns me is that there has been no discussion about anything other than 'close the borders'. So, if Scenario 3 starts to pan out, what the hell do we do? What are the costs if we keep the borders closed? I think there is a good discussion to be had here, because there are pros and cons each way - there is no clear 'right' answer. But we do need to start thinking about what the hell we're going to do if a vaccine isn't available for some time.
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