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NTA

His modus operandi in these discussion is to spout bullshit about "No-one ever came to me with evidence, because they knew that I wouldn't stand by and shift priests around different parishes to try and hide their wrongdoing"
 
He should just resign and go live in one of those monasteries on a fuck-off giant mountain.

booboo

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Not sure if anyone is following the investigation going on at the moment over in oz but the head of the Catholic Church said he wouldn't have been interested in hearing about one of his priests who was raping a boy in his care. Quite a contrast in attitudes there, ones in a consensual long term relationship and that's the church's business, but they arent g interested in a member of the clergy forcing himself on a young boy.</blockquote>
 
I recon Pell is a detestable human being whose sole purpose was to protect the church and by extension himself. 
However ... the bold bit above ... 
I'm not sure if that's exactly what he said... Without reading your link there Jeg ... I understood it was that more back in that time it had no interest for him ... which I read as he didn't get it ... which is kind of understandabl (not right ... understandable ). 
What he's done subsequdntly has been pretty fucking ordimary. 
The whole Catholic church thing is ordinary really

jegga

Booboo from the link, I guess there are other ways of interpreting what he said . I can't think of a good one though.
 
Cardinal Pell has repeatedly denied knowledge of Ridsdale's offending in the 1970s.
"I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said.
"It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."

Sapetyvi

This is the thing I just cant understand, the church has the right to collect taxes (atleast in Finland) and they have no responsibility. If a political party doesnt support mass immigration or gay rights, they loose funding from the state, why should the church be any different? 
Make them behave like normal human beings or take money off from them, fucking fluffies. 
And then there is this lad in my rugby club, nicest bugger going around, highly religious, can take a joke and is always a joy to talk to. Has absolutely nothing against gays, nor transsexual people and actually takes part in pride-things and whatnot. 
But its the old school conservative people who flip my shit over, like the leader of the Christian democratic party; She actually said in live-TV that she got gay-friends but still wont support gay marriage, what an absolute waste of oxygen. To top it all she is a doctor, an actual medical doctor and still believes on stories and bases her politics on bits and pieces of a 2000-year-old book.

gollum

Educators are the future -
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://gawker.com/meet-the-science-and-muslim-hating-conspiracy-theorist-1758545449'>http://gawker.com/meet-the-science-and-muslim-hating-conspiracy-theorist-1758545449</a>
 
My favourite bit re Noahs ark & dinosaurs -
 
"Most of the dinosaur fossils which scientists have found are permanently preserved in positions of great distress as if they were trying to keep their heads above water or above the mud."

Rancid Schnitzel

I have no problem with them going after the Catholic Church and finding and charging those responsible for these crimes. But this Pell business is a bit of a pile on. I agree that it would help if he actually showed some empathy (he is a PR disaster), but he was the guy that, pretty much as soon as he became a Bishop, set up the Melbourne response to compensate and help victims. He's now appeared before the royal commission 3 times and faced questions like: 
"Are you now, or have you ever been a Catholic?" 
I really dont know about this "common knowledge that he was a paedo" stuff. I once played on a rugby team with a guy who is now a convicted peadophile. Nobody had any idea. It's not like he advertised it. Well-known journalist and former priest Paul Bongiorno shared a presbytery with that paedophile priest Ridsdale and was completely clueless. He lived in the same house as him.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying defend what occurred or the pathetic response to it. I'm simply saying that Pell actually did take action and imho doesn't deserve to be destroyed in this way.

Catogrande

By their very nature paedos don't advertise. I knew a bloke that we all thought was a bit dodgy (financially) and we were all waiting with baited breath when he was up in court for fraud. Then the case got postponed, as after the police seized his computer they found thousands of kiddy porn images downloaded. Thousands. Including some category 1 shit.
 
As I said, we all thought he was dodgy but no-one thought hmmm, pervert.

taniwharugby

Can't big business directors be held accountable for fraudulent, mismanagement type shit that goes down supposedly without thier knowledge, but like taxes and other stuff, churches seem to be held to a different set of rules. 
Surely with the churches history of paedos then he should be held to a higher standard to ensure it is kept clean.

Baron Silas Greenback

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This is the thing I just cant understand, the church has the right to collect taxes (atleast in Finland) and they have no responsibility. If a political party doesnt support mass immigration or gay rights, they loose funding from the state, why should the church be any different? 
Make them behave like normal human beings or take money off from them, fucking fluffies. 
And then there is this lad in my rugby club, nicest bugger going around, highly religious, can take a joke and is always a joy to talk to. Has absolutely nothing against gays, nor transsexual people and actually takes part in pride-things and whatnot. 
But its the old school conservative people who flip my shit over, like the leader of the Christian democratic party; She actually said in live-TV that she got gay-friends but still wont support gay marriage, what an absolute waste of oxygen. To top it all she is a doctor, an actual medical doctor and still believes on stories and bases her politics on bits and pieces of a 2000-year-old book.
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What? Can you clarify what you are talking about? Why should any political party lose funding for not supporting mass immigration or gay rights?
 
I think supporting gay rights and mass immigration in Europe are extremely conflicted. You think Catholics dont like homosexuals.. check out what the Muslim immigrants think of it...
The left parties in Europe have got an issue. How do you support homosexual rights whilst also importing hundreds of thousands of religious people who are incredibly intolerant?

Sapetyvi

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="562193" data-time="1457037120">What? Can you clarify what you are talking about? Why should any political party lose funding for not supporting mass immigration or gay rights? 
I think supporting gay rights and mass immigration in Europe are extremely conflicted. You think Catholics dont like homosexuals.. check out what the Muslim immigrants think of it... 
The left parties in Europe have got an issue. How do you support homosexual rights whilst also importing hundreds of thousands of religious people who are incredibly intolerant?</blockquote>
There is a case in Finland where a youth right wing party got less government funding than leftists becouse their agenda did not include supporting "multiculturalism" or something like that, which in Europe means mass immigration.

Baron Silas Greenback

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There is a case in Finland where a youth right wing party got less government funding than leftists becouse their agenda did not include supporting "multiculturalism" or something like that, which in Europe means mass immigration.
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Really? That seems a little harsh. Do you have a source for that or more info so I can look it up for myself?

Sapetyvi

<a class="bbc_url" href="http://yle.fi/uutiset/kho_perussuomalaisten_nuoria_syrjittiin_rahanjaossa/7637692">http://yle.fi/uutiset/kho_perussuomalaisten_nuoria_syrjittiin_rahanjaossa/7637692</a> 
If you want to google translate, I think they are in still in court about it. 
The political situation in Finland is a mess alltogether. We have been living with debt for too long, our pension system is about to crash down, the new government is cutting from everyone and we took 30k r efugees last year and expect more this year.

Baron Silas Greenback

Thanks, google translate made a bit of a mess of it, but I got the general gist.

NTA

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I have no problem with them going after the Catholic Church and finding and charging those responsible for these crimes. But this Pell business is a bit of a pile on. I agree that it would help if he actually showed some empathy (he is a PR disaster), but he was the guy that, pretty much as soon as he became a Bishop, set up the Melbourne response to compensate and help 
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I think going after the church as a whole is probably a bit much, because there are a lot of them who aren't doing bad things (besides their Catholocism ;)) but I saw an article the other day on the bit in bold:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/26/the-cardinal-and-the-royal-commission-the-questions-george-pell-must-answer'>http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/26/the-cardinal-and-the-royal-commission-the-questions-george-pell-must-answer</a>
 
About three-quarters of the way down:
 
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Troublesome priests
 
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Pell became archbishop of Melbourne in July 1996 and set about addressing the scandals of abuse in his archdiocese by establishing a church commission he called the Melbourne Response.
He and his supporters advance this as proof that Pell was championing the cause of victims. Perhaps, but the then premier of Victoria, Jeff Kennett, had threatened him with a royal commission by if he didnâ€™t put the churchâ€™s house in order.
His response offered investigation and counselling but â€“ unlike the response soon implemented by the Catholic church in the rest of Australia â€“ set low, capped limits on payouts to victims. It would save his archdiocese many millions of dollars.
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Ever the financial doyen.

Rancid Schnitzel

Which is of course implying that if Kennett didn't "threaten" him then he would have done nothing and that he also ripped off the victims. Once again, a trifle unfair.
 
It should be noted that proof of abuse was not required. IIRC the average payout under Towards Healing (the national response) was 48k.
 
You can also compare that to redress schemes offered by state governments for abuse suffered in state care. The cap was 40k in QLD and the max was 60k in TAS. It could very well be that the Melbourne Response was totally inadequate, but I'm not aware of any organisation or company that will invite people to come forward for compensation and offer them a blank check.
 
I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="562163" data-time="1457003220">
Booboo from the link, I guess there are other ways of interpreting what he said . I can't think of a good one though. Cardinal Pell has repeatedly denied knowledge of Ridsdale's offending in the 1970s. "I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or whether it wasn't," he said. "It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me."</blockquote>
Yep. That's what i had seen reported. 
And I'm playing with semantics but as i say i can see how back in the day when he was Fr. George Pell parish priest elsewhere not Cardinal responsible for employees how something so out of whack with your understanding of the world and not within your control wouldn't be his concern. 
That's different to him now not being interested. 
Not for a minute excusing him for any further wrong doings. 
Re the Melbourne response. I have heard some damning criticism of that, hiw it essentially exists to protect the church from further action rather than try to assist the victims.

NTA

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I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.
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I agree with that. I suppose in terms of what the public thinks of him, the emotional range is wide.
 
I suppose, even if he threw himself on his knees and begged for mercy, it wouldn't change peoples' minds. It would almost be worse than his current emotional blockade.
 
Ultimately the Church will decide what happens I think - they're in a tricky position.

Siam

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I can totally understand that there is a lot of hate again the Church and since Pell is Australia's top man in the Vatican he will be the focus for this hate. But it really is becoming too much now. Just look at that picture posted above accusing him of being a paedophile. That kind of lynch mob mentality doesn't help anyone.
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Except muslims eh?

jegga

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Except muslims eh?
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 I don't see much of a lynch mob metaility coming from the west, in fact the exact opposite is true . Europe has been over the top in trying to accommodate them which they are regretting now and will do for quite some time.
 
Getting back to the catholic church, they had systems in place to avoid publicity and protect the pedophiles in their ranks from prosecution . They deserve all the derision being heaped on them, I was raised catholic and one of the schools I went to had this arsehole teaching there, even after he was caught groping boys the rector gave him a glowing letter of recommendation. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049379</a>

Rancid Schnitzel

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="562330" data-time="1457069828">
Except muslims eh?</blockquote>
 
That's truly pathetic Siam.

The Silver Fern

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