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@Winger said in US Politics:
@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger still doesnt detract from the fact Trump, basically flouted the 'rules' to suit his own purpose.
I agree, the rally/protest rules, call it what you will, seem silly, but both being allowed/not allowed isnt really the point IMO, it is the fact the leader continues to divide his nation, at a time when I expect there is massive opportunities for unity!
There's no chance of unity. The divide is too great.
And unity would mean continuing down the path before Trump that lots of voters don't wantIts not about policy, its about behaving in a manner befitting the President. But I agree unity is a stretch too far with Trump. His behaviour has alienated many, the Dems like Pelosi will refuse to give him an inch, and a sudden change in style would likely be met with suspicion and disbelief
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@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger ah fair enough, no point stopping acting like a petulant child now, nothing he does could ever change anything or anyone's minds now. I doubt there is a single voter in the US who is presently undecided
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
Oh I don't know. It's convinced me.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
Sure he may never unite the country, but he doesn't even act like he wants to, he revels in the fact that people dislike him, but then he has probably pushed the boat out so far already.
He should go the whole hog and call those who won't vote for him "deplorables". Worked for Hilary.
Trump or Biden. Who'd be an American voter?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
I doubt it will work for Trump this time either.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Silly name calling like this doesn't work anymore. It use to (it was a very successful elite tactic via the mainstream news media) but not now
I doubt it will work for Trump this time either.
It won't work with Trump. It might (or likely will) work with a weak male but not Trump. He's very effective at countering the mud throwing.
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@Winger name calling? What names did I call him?
Trump the chump is name calling.
I just can't believe people think it is ok for him to behave and act the way he does.
He could still be the bolshy pushy Trump but also lead by example, rather than seemingly sticking it to the man, when essentially he is the man, i am sure there are better ways to approach things than his antagonistic ways.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Winger name calling? What names did I call him?
Trump the chump is name calling.
I just can't believe people think it is ok for him to behave and act the way he does.
He could still be the bolshy pushy Trump but also lead by example leading by example, rather than seemingly sticking it to the man, when essentially he is the man, i am sure there are better ways to approach things than his antagonistic ways.
Was he triggered by petulant child? Not a name, its a description
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Love him or loathe him there is some real good amongst the bad.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
there is some real good amongst the bad
I agree, IMO it is often the sideshows, his delivery and arrogance that sees the bad get the headlines instead of the good.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
there is some real good amongst the bad
I agree, IMO it is often the sideshows, his delivery and arrogance that sees the bad get the headlines instead of the good.
I agree, thought that is what got him elected too. I can't see media letting up if he suddenly became chummy with them. Faith in journalists are at an all time low so having someone standing against them is a draw card. Hell I thought Obama was a saint by the coverage he got, would be nice to get a nice medium of coverage though.
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I think this is the stuff that makes me think WTF is going on and I dont have a particular side ,
Fair call he gets called out for being a dick ,
When Obama was in office the middle east was a mess , their answer was to bomb the shit out the place ,isis was out of control as a result , north korea was looking scary ,
Trump seems to have brought calm to all of those issues , but mainstream media hardly touch it , they would rather make a story over a stupid tweet he made
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@kiwiinmelb said in US Politics:
I think this is the stuff that makes me think WTF is going on and I dont have a particular side ,
Fair call he gets called out for being a dick ,
When Obama was in office the middle east was a mess , their answer was to bomb the shit out the place ,isis was out of control as a result , north korea was looking scary ,
Trump seems to have brought calm to all of those issues , but mainstream media hardly touch it , they would rather make a story over a stupid tweet he made
the only thing to keep in mind is im sure its easier to bring piece AFTER isis has more or less been beaten, at very least on the retreat
and secondly, i'd love to know how much any president actually does in these matters, i have a sneaky suspicion that most of the work is done by the actual diplomats "on the ground" as it were, who may have been put in place by him, i dont know
I just get sick of hearing all the good stuff going on is 100% him...but all the bad stuff is 100% the last guys...which also ignores how inefficient he's been to fix things hes been left with
I'm sure thats the exact opposite of how trump fans feel on the media they dont like though, probably doesn't get any credit for the good and blamed for ALL the bad
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
the only thing to keep in mind is im sure its easier to bring piece AFTER isis has more or less been beaten, at very least on the retreatIndeed.
ISIS rose up after under Obama.
It was dispatched under Trump.
So he pretty much gets credit for that too.Obama allowed the annexation of Crimea by Russia.
His Syrian policy was a mess.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
the only thing to keep in mind is im sure its easier to bring piece AFTER isis has more or less been beaten, at very least on the retreat
The strength of ISIS doesn't really have anything to do with the recent treaties
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@Frank i guess my point was my memory was that ISIS was already in retreat when Trump came into office. the forces that ultimately did the work were more or less in place, so although he knocked them off i would have though it was a joint effort, its like John Hart largely using Laurie Mains players and winning in South Africa...yeah, you were on the ground at the time but you have a head start
@Duluth true, it was more specifically a reply to @franks comment about defeating ISIS
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Frank i guess my point was my memory was that ISIS was already in retreat when Trump came into office. the forces that ultimately did the work were more or less in place, so although he knocked them off i would have though it was a joint effort, its like John Hart largely using Laurie Mains players and winning in South Africa...yeah, you were on the ground at the time but you have a head start
@Duluth true, it was more specifically a reply to @franks comment about defeating ISIS
Special Forces guy was on Rogan last week, and under Obama he said they had 1/3 of the budget for an item like ammunition than under Trump. He used that as an example why they lost ground (and cities they had won in previous battles), and how they were able to turn the tide and finish them off.
Basically were given the budget/tools to do the job. That is something that can be hung on Trump (and Obama)
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