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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan at the very least hear the lady out.
It used to be that we'd listen to the evidence first and then decide if they're nutters
I said that about Winger once.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
and again a subject that everyone wants to learn more about, is totally dominated by character assessments...
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
2020 eh?
ps, this obsession with the messenger hijacking all conversations, not just here on the fern
In an age where every hairy assed idiot with an opinion can reach an audience of millions, it's never been more importat to vet people's qualifications to talk on a subject.
Crucial to stop the spread of incorrect information, and to stop feeding conspiracy theorists nutjobs.
We have never had more access to information in history, but you could argue as a population we have never been dumber. A good indicator is thinking that reading websites is "research".
Thats a big ask of @Crucial mate
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
and again a subject that everyone wants to learn more about, is totally dominated by character assessments...
Nearly 12 months into a global civilisation ruining virus and we're no closer to knowing it's true origin with every enquiry overrun by character smears, obfuscation and shooting messengers.
2020 eh?
ps, this obsession with the messenger hijacking all conversations, not just here on the fern
In an age where every hairy assed idiot with an opinion can reach an audience of millions, it's never been more importat to vet people's qualifications to talk on a subject.
Crucial to stop the spread of incorrect information, and to stop feeding conspiracy theorists nutjobs.
We have never had more access to information in history, but you could argue as a population we have never been dumber. A good indicator is thinking that reading websites is "research".
Thats a big ask of @Crucial mate
I do try. Then I give up because I am lazy.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I thought this was funny
You would.
About as funny as drinking a cup of cold vomit.
The ego involved in thinking people that ignore your internet "research" are sheep is astronomical.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I thought this was funny
You would.
About as funny as drinking a cup of cold vomit.
The ego involved in thinking people that ignore your internet "research" are sheep is astronomical.
I thought winger was commenting on himself.....
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Bit on Singapore
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@taniwharugby Their death rate/cases is good - their death rate per million popn is the same as ours.
They have conducted a lot of tests (5x NZ's)so capturing a lot more positives. Thet went really hard, very early with things like temperature testing etc. They also have a culture of mask wearing. Their lockdown was for longer and was more harsh than ours.
In point of fact their performance would have been even better if Singapore hadn't predictably chosen initially to ignore their guest workers
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Spain, and excess mortality. 3 periods of excess deaths so far (although 2nd unlikely to have been anything to do with covid). Excess mortality very geographically limited.
With Spain already immersed in a second wave of the coronavirus, the country’s systems for detecting excess mortality rates have already identified a 10% rise in unexpected deaths over two periods: the month of August, and the second week of September.
In the first two weeks of September, Madrid alone recorded 29% more deaths than the average for the same time period.
In the MoMo’s latest report, there are three “periods of excess” mortality this year: during the first wave of the coronavirus, which ran from March 10 and May 9, and saw 43,068 more deaths than expected; in August; and last week.
The latest report from the Mortality Monitoring System, known as MoMo, was published on Wednesday, and shows that between July 27 and August 29 there were 3,466 more deaths in Spain than were expected, and that over the last week – September 8 to 13 – there were an extra 533 compared to the average.
The MoMo uses information about deaths from all causes supplied by the nearly 4,000 civil registries in Spain that have digitalized systems, covering 93% of the Spanish population from all of the country’s provinces. The reports estimate the expected mortality rates based on models that use historical averages based on deaths over the last 10 years.
The rate of excess deaths during the first wave was 63% of the average in all of Spain; in August it was 10%; and in September, 9.1%. Over the latter week there was a difference in genders, with 7.6% excess mortality for men, and 12.% for women – the experts consulted for this article have not so far been able to explain this difference.The MoMo has not detected excess mortality in the majority of Spain’s 17 regions since the first wave of the epidemic between March and May. This is the case for Asturias, the Canary Islands, Cantabria, Castilla-La Mancha, Catalonia, Galicia, Navarre, the Basque Country and La Rioja. In contrast, excess mortality in the Madrid region between September 1 and 13 came in at 29.3%.
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This seems promising esp for certain areas. Like a hospital or doctors surgery
Japanese company that teamed up with Columbia University has developed a first-of-its-kind ultraviolet lamp that can kill the coronavirus without harming people’s health, according to a report.
Light equipment maker Ushio’s Care 222 UV lamp is expected to be used to disinfect heavily trafficked spaces where people run the risk of contracting the deadly bug, including buses, trains, elevators and offices, Japan Today reported.
UV lamps have been widely used for sterilization, notably in the medical and food-processing industries, and JetBlue recently announced plans to use the technology aboard its planes.
However, conventional UV rays cannot be used when people are present because they cause skin cancer and eye problems.
But Ushio’s new UV lamp emits rays with a wavelength of 222 nanometers, as opposed to the conventional 254-nanometer wavelength, making them deadly to germs but harmless to humans, the news outlet reported.
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@Winger I read that it will be good at killing the virus on hard surfaces (which accounts for about 5%) of infections but sadly has no chance of killing it when its an aerosol i.e. being breathed, sneezed or coughed out before it is inhaled into another persons lungs.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger I read that it will be good at killing the virus on hard surfaces (which accounts for about 5%) of infections but sadly has no chance of killing it when its an aerosol i.e. being breathed, sneezed or coughed out before it is inhaled into another persons lungs.
But perhaps it could be injected into the body somehow? Or maybe shined on people. I know you're looking into that right?
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