BOP police in Kawerau
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<p>hes a horrible man I agree, but I still think that this particular trial was a stitch up.</p>
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<p>Like I said, I doubt that. He's out of jail now unfortunately, maybe you could drop round for a cup of tea and chat about being his Joe Karam?</p>
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<p>Alternatively the odds on another person capable of double murder and rape being in the exact same area at the same time as the backpackers and Tamihere who was on the run for rape and had already murdered someone must be astronomical and we'll just assume that the cops probably got the right guy.</p> -
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Like I said, I doubt that. He's out of jail now unfortunately, maybe you could drop round for a cup of tea and chat about being his Joe Karam?<br><br>
Alternatively the odds on another person capable of double murder and rape being in the exact same area at the same time as the backpackers and Tamihere who was on the run for rape and had already murdered someone must be astronomical and we'll just assume that the cops probably got the right guy.</p></blockquote>
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Heard of huia foley?<br><br>
After escaping from a mental hospital He attacked a catholic priest in waihi just prior to the murders.<br><br>
Then escaped into the bush. <br><br>
It's well known he was on the same bush tracks as the two swedes at the time they disappeared.<br><br>
A few weeks later he turns up in whitianga with a European brand sleeping bag. Where he robbed a couple with a baseball bat and stole their car.<br><br>
There are 2 confirmed reports of him confessing to the crime before his death.<br><br>
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<p>Heard of huia foley?<br><br>
After escaping from a mental hospital He attacked a catholic priest in waihi just prior to the murders.<br><br>
Then escaped into the bush.<br><br>
It's well known he was on the same bush tracks as the two swedes at the time they disappeared.<br><br>
A few weeks later he turns up in whitianga with a European brand sleeping bag. Where he robbed a couple with a baseball bat and stole their car.<br><br>
There are 2 confirmed reports of him confessing to the crime before his death.<br><br>
So there's at least one other</p>
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<p>An Ian Wishart theory, I'll pass on that. If he said it was raining I'd check outside to make sure.</p>
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<p>I said I agreed with you that the cops were not perfect, but you're stretching things to make them look worse than they are . </p> -
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An Ian Wishart theory, I'll pass on that. If he said it was raining I'd check outside to make sure.<br><br>
I said I agreed with you that the cops were not perfect, but you're stretching things to make them look worse than they are .</p></blockquote>
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Thanks for agreeing with me though :)<br><br>
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<p>i agree. There's potential for corruption in the police like everywhere else in society.<br><br>
The original comment was kinda tongue in cheek (hence the fishing emoji) and aimed to get mn5 all fired up.<br><br>
But his blind assumption that the police are above all that stuff made me carry it on a bit more :)<br><br>
I don't have the same kind of faith in every single member of the police. <strong>Some of them are corrupt arseholes others are hardworking and honest.</strong><br><br>
David tamiheri deserves a retrial though..... He's more innocent than David Bain, Lundy and Scott Watson</p>
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<p>OK, but why state that the entire force is corrupt and incompetent?</p>
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<p>And you do understand why we're raising our eyebrows when on the one hand you maintain the police should have shot Wallace in the leg, and on the other hand all the police are corrupt? What exactly are you trying to say Sammy, that they had a choice, and chose to murder Wallace? Because that's what you're implying.</p> -
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Are you winger?</p></blockquote>
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That's a low blow. <br><br>
I generally agree with your guys stances on the flag, vaccines and climate change. I'm actually gonna admit I learnt a lot from the climate change thread.<br><br>
But I disagree on matters involving the Chiefs, workrate of the blues tight five and police corruption :)<br><br>
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<p>People die from being shot in the leg regularly, usually from bleeding to death. It's hardly a low-risk option. My personal opinion is that people who don't want to get shot shouldn't threaten police with weapons.</p>
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<p>From a case a while back <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/39329/Why-did-you-shoot-my-friend'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/39329/Why-did-you-shoot-my-friend</a></p>
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<p>Feral child to cop</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">"Why did you shoot my friend?" five-year-old Jayden Prior asked a policeman moments after he had watched him kill Stephen Bellingham.</span><br>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Cops response</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">​</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">"Us cops don't get paid enough to go home in a box," was the answer Jayden's older brother and father heard.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Police said several were fired from a Glock pistol, with Mr Bellingham struck by two bullets - <strong>one in the leg</strong> and one, fatally, in the chest.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Police were called to Mr Bellingham's house on the corner of Trent St and Avonside Drive after receiving reports he had smashed up several cars in the neighbourhood.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Mr Prior and children Jayden, Makayla, and AJ were driving down Stanmore Rd when they saw Mr Bellingham breaking into a parked Subaru Impreza with a claw hammer.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Mr Prior said he and AJ approached Mr Bellingham, who was sitting in the car's passenger seat, and tried to persuade him to stop.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">A policeman, aged between 30 and 40, arrived some moments later in a police van.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"He hopped out and yelled 'put the hammer down' about five times."</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Mr Bellingham, whom Mr Prior said was quite calm, took a step toward the policeman with the hammer raised.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"Then the cop just shot him dead."</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">The policeman fired "seven or eight shots, just like on the movies" from a handgun.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"His body was convulsing with each bullet hitting him. It was like something out of Hill Street Blues."</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Another witness Chris Young said he saw Mr Bellingham raise the hammer above his head and run towards the police officer.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"<strong>He was running toward the officer quite fast and was only a metre away when the officer fired the shots."</strong></p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">He said it was testament to the aggressive nature of the man's approach that the hammer left his hands as he was shot and skidded along the road "a fair way".</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"I don't have any doubt that he would have attacked the policeman with it."</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">He did not think the officer would have had time to run away.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Mr Prior said that from the policeman getting out of his car to the shooting took less than 30 seconds.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"Every shot just took more life out of him. When he fell to the ground he was lifeless."</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">The policeman "just walked off", Mr Prior said.</p>
<p style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">"He didn't check the body or anything. He just left him lying on the road like a dog."</p> -
What happens if you aim for his leg and blow his balls off?
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<p>i agree. There's potential for corruption in the police like everywhere else in society.<br><br>
The original comment was kinda tongue in cheek (hence the fishing emoji) and aimed to get mn5 all fired up.<br><br>
But his blind assumption that the police are above all that stuff made me carry it on a bit more :)<br><br>
I don't have the same kind of faith in every single member of the police. Some of them are corrupt arseholes others are hardworking and honest.<br><br>
David tamiheri deserves a retrial though..... He's more innocent than David Bain, Lundy and Scott Watson</p>
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<p>I've freely admitted cops aren't perfect just like any organisation. Your blind assumption indicated you think that they're all corrupt. I've met ones that probably are, but when you say they as a whole are a bunch of incompetents I felt the need to offer an opinion.</p>
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<p>What happens if you aim for his leg and blow his balls off?</p>
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<p>He will save $300 on a Vasectomy</p> -
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He will save $300 on a Vasectomy</p></blockquote>
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<p>What happens if you aim for his leg and blow his balls off?</p>
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<p>You get to go on a chat show to talk about it.</p>
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<p>Is that what you paid?</p>
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<p>Nope not done yet, my wife keeps trying to get it done though.</p>
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<p>I sense this thread about to go off topic in 10, 9, 8, 7....</p> -
<a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publications-statistics/statistics/monthly-statistics?tid=1469">http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publications-statistics/statistics/monthly-statistics?tid=1469</a><br><br>
When you look at the volume of 'stuff' the Police have done in the most recent month of stats alone, and when the cases of alleged corruption/stitch ups/FUBAR's going back to David Tamahere get listed across 2 - 3 posts on TSF...<br><br>
... On the whole, you might even say they do a reasonable and 99.9999% trustworthy job.......... -
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<p><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publications-statistics/statistics/monthly-statistics?tid=1469">http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publications-statistics/statistics/monthly-statistics?tid=1469</a><br><br>
When you look at the volume of 'stuff' the Police have done in the most recent month of stats alone, and when the cases of alleged corruption/stitch ups/FUBAR's going back to David Tamahere get listed across 2 - 3 posts on TSF...<br><br>
... On the whole, you might even say they do a reasonable and 99.9999% trustworthy job..........</p>
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<p>That wasn't a very long list of fuckups from them and some of them were very debatable [I'd still like to know what Sammy was meaning about the terror raids.] they are only human though and because of that there are varying degrees of fuckups from them occasionally . Having said that I wouldn't want to be one [they probably have all sorts of processes to ensure someone like me can never be one] nor would I be too keen on my son being a cop either.</p> -
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<p>People die from being shot in the leg regularly, usually from bleeding to death. It's hardly a low-risk option. My personal opinion is that people who don't want to get shot shouldn't threaten police with weapons.</p>
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<p>Yup. As explained to me by a paramedic in a research binge, you get the femoral artery running up the inner thigh and it's gonna be all over pretty fucking quickly. A shot to the leg is not a low risk option nor is viable or sensible within a violent, adrenaline hyped moving target.</p> -
This guys family should count their blessings they are in NZ. When I first heard of the siege and that cops had been shot, I assumed he had hostages. When I found out he didn't my first thought was "if this was in the US this guy would have been dead within an hour". Instead our boys in blue endured a 23+ hour stand off to ensure a peaceful end to spare this fuck tard his life.<br><br>
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<p>I guess it all depends on the definition of corruption. Is letting a cute chick off a ticket corrupt? What about not breath testing a colleague? Or giving work mates a blue light taxi? Faking RBT stats. Fudging the daily logs to make it look like you have been busier than you really have? Writing off a minor investigation as not being in the public interest when the real reason is you just can't be bothered attending to something so minor? I could go on.</p>
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<p>Some would say that corruption is like pregnancy - you can't be a little bit pregnant. However I cannot see how or where such a line could feasibly be drawn. The daily ins and outs of police work cannot allow for everything to be done wholly and completely within a zero tolerance framework. I guess where the line gets drawn is a personal thing both for the accuser and the individual police officer.</p>