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New statement from President Trump:
“Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again.” -
That reads to me like he's hinting at a run in 2024? I sure hope not, he's senile as fuck already
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Twittter deleting tweets
Whether you agree or disagree with the tweet removal (I certainly don't agree with it), twitter need to be asked why they felt the need to remove these tweets (and make a big song and dance about it), whilst doing nothing about the threatening tweets to North Korea. Y'know, the country with the nuclear arsenal.
Twitter needs to be destroyed.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
After four years of divisive antics and utterances by senior Democrats railing against Trump and his supporters, their tacit support of violent BLM protests and statue destruction, and in the other corner, Trump's oafish, divisive and childish presidency, I'm surprised US politicians are surprised.
And now the US has a President-elect who seems shocked at the inevitable result - calling the riots "insurrection, not protest" when they trash Congress. Did he think violent protest would or should only come from his side of the fence?
What a fucking mess.
Unfortunately, it's a matter of time before something similar happens here. Leaders have been chipping away at democracy since the results of the Brexit vote, and given the current anger at the government of Covid response, it's only a matter of time before something similar happens. Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.
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@MajorRage I take it you weren't here for the summer of riots back in the 80s?
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Current reports are that Biden intends to appoint Merrick Garland as his Attorney-General. Garland was Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court in 2016 who McConnell refused to hold a confirmation hearing for. Garland was previously a prosecutor, most famous for prosecuting the Oklahoma City bomber.
I have read news reports that the US Cabinet is considering invoking the 25th amendment (to declare Trump unfit for office, in which case the VP takes over the duties of president - any disagreements in this between the president and cabinet are resolved by Congress), and Congress is seriously considering impeachment again - article are being drafted currently, although the House may not bother introducing them. Time it right, and the Georgian senators will be the new Democrats. The main reason to impeach Trump even though the election is over is that one of the potential outcomes of a conviction is being disqualified from holding office again. Do it fast enough and it might also avoid him pardoning people who invaded Capitol Hill.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@MajorRage I take it you weren't here for the summer of riots back in the 80s?
Can't say I was.
Maybe I've got some adjusting to do to UK politics still, but the comments from particularly the Corbyn left are getting nastier and nastier, working up their supporters. I honestly can't see how things won't get to the point of serious violence.
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Leaders have been chipping away at democracy since the results of the Brexit vote,
Since well before that. But perhaps by comparison to the last 4-5 years it pales.
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost. -
@NTA said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost.I think it is clear BLM was partly hijacked by groups whose message was quite different from the core sentiment. Trump should have blood on his hands over this, these people look to him and he did nothing to calm them, in fact he did quite the opposite. And for what? For his own personal ego an being unable to accept that he lost
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@MajorRage I take it you weren't here for the summer of riots back in the 80s?
I was (which makes me feel bloody old..) and It is eerily similar in many ways.
IIRC, those riots were mainly a reaction against some pretty appalling policing & inner-city poverty affecting all races, and also in London from overt discrimination against non-white (mainly black) people. That said, there were a number of violent "anti-racist" protests directed against right-wing parties like the BNP.
Seems to me the current protests are more from relatively well-off people, and based more on race, tribal and cultural differences than poverty, and appear to be implicitly supported by what seems to be a large section of the political establishment. You sense they simply want to tear stuff down rather than improve peoples lives.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Leaders have been chipping away at democracy since the results of the Brexit vote,
Since well before that. But perhaps by comparison to the last 4-5 years it pales.
Started in the UK in the early-2000's when the government departments sacked people for standing as election candidates for parties they thought beyond the pale.
By 2010, we'd ended up with foster parents having children removed from their care because they admitted to voting for Nigel Farage.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost.So are you saying you support the BLM protestors that aggressively shouted FUCK THE POLICE in front of downing street in an aggressive manner and then threw things inciting a riot?
I don't condone either. And I also acknowledge that both are a fringe of their entire supporter blocks. But yet people seem to feel morally obligated to give reasons for the BLM ones, but then just outright condone the US Capitols ones as Trump supporters. What do you think that does to mainstream Trump supporters?
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@canefan said in US Politics:
I think it is clear BLM was partly hijacked by groups whose message was quite different from the core sentiment. Trump should have blood on his hands over this, these people look to him and he did nothing to calm them, in fact he did quite the opposite. And for what? For his own personal ego an being unable to accept that he lost
Can't disagree with any of that, but the likes of Biden, Obama, Clinton & Pelosi share equal blame for the inflammatory language they have spewed out against Trump and his supporters these last 4-5 years.
And they all knew exactly what they were doing.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost.I think it is clear BLM was partly hijacked by groups whose message was quite different from the core sentiment. Trump should have blood on his hands over this, these people look to him and he did nothing to calm them, in fact he did quite the opposite. And for what? For his own personal ego an being unable to accept that he lost
I think you'll find many good Republican Americans think the same thing for their side
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@NTA said in US Politics:
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost.
Sounds like many of Remainers we have in the UK.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
Look at the state of the "mostly peaceful" BLM marches.
There is a clear entitlement belief that if you don't like the state of something (regardless of any proof, democratic vote) you have the right to go and cause violence outside political buildings.I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
These guys are just a core of conspiracy theorists, surrounded by opportunists, and a smattering of simpletons, having a giant sook about an election they're too stupid to accept they lost.I think it is clear BLM was partly hijacked by groups whose message was quite different from the core sentiment. Trump should have blood on his hands over this, these people look to him and he did nothing to calm them, in fact he did quite the opposite. And for what? For his own personal ego an being unable to accept that he lost
I think you'll find many good Republican Americans think the same thing for their side
But what is their cause actually? Do they really believe the election was stolen? Lindsay Graham's speech said it all. He prayed Joe would lose, but he will accept the result and the judgments of all those judges for the sake of the nation and it's constitution.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
I guess the difference being that BLM were concerned about the ongoing loss of life in a society characterised by institutionalised racism.
There were over 200 kids knifed to death in London in 2019 - almost all black and involved in delivering drugs. There wasn't a peep from BLM or those groups protesting about George Floyd's death and tearing statues down.
The cynic in me can't help thinking those two things are connected.
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