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<p>wtf - someone must be having a laugh giving that dude a platform for such out of touch shite.</p>
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<p>forgot to say I was watching a news clip earlier in the week and the UK correspondant interviewed a Kiwi fella over there about the flag, he said he was voting to keep the same, didnt elaborate, they asked his GF , who was Irish, and she went into a rant about John Key...the interviewer then made some comment about her obviously having a good grasp on the goins on in NZ...or maybe she is just parroting her BF?</p>
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Jane Bowron is a leftard of massive proportions , she refused to support the abs at the rwc because the team was announced at the beehive ( never mind there were plenty of Labour mps there for the occasion ) but here she is tying 300 whales being killed by the Japanese in with the money spent on the flag referendum . <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/78296250/Jane-Bowron-Arm-the-whales-and-free-the-chooks'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/78296250/Jane-Bowron-Arm-the-whales-and-free-the-chooks</a><br>
I'm not sure what leftards intend our govt to do to stop the Japs from killing whales , I suspect it's just another convenient excuse to get up on their high horse . I'm surprised anyone would want to eat something so full of mercury anyway, then again I don't get their fascination with tentacle porn either .<br><br>
I don't recall leftards being up in arms when the previous labour govt poured millions into the Americas cup something I personally couldn't give a shit about and less so when I found out our tax dollars were being used to prop up a millionaires sport . -
The Flag referendum is going to be a go to issue for the Key Deranged for years.<br><br>
If any issue arises that they perceive can do with more funding the chant will be "he spent $26m on that!". (Never mind that $26m just isn't that much money ... for a government anyway). -
And the majority of the $26m was paid to itself.
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$26m is not even a drop in the ocean of Government funding. When people use that argument I immediatly lose a bit of respect for them. Hearing Little say it could have been spent elsewhere makes you think that he is either a.) trying to play up to a particular (feral) audience or b.) he is completely incompetent.
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<p>he is just grandstanding! </p>
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<p>The Govt already spent more than $26mill on Health alone this morning, how much difference, really would another $26mill have made?</p>
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<p>Sadly, the anti-Key/Flag change brigade now believe they have the ammo to shoot down the referendum process and everything about it, despite the numbers suggesting it was a worthwhile process, and showed that there is appetite for change.</p>
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<p>Whether you buy into or believe the anecdotal evidence that there were numbers who voted against change because Key or because they didnt like the option (despite both lots wanting change) means the actual result for people wanting change would be higher, whether it is is enough to get past 50%...you will never get an option that everyone likes, some will always dislike it, but what people need to be able to do is look past that and see if the flag is more representative of NZ than the current flag.</p>
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<p>I was very anti-RP, but if the choice had been between it and the current, flag, I dont know how I'd of voted, a) because I did like the supposed back story to it, which gave it a connection to NZ, b ) I do want change, c) I never saw it flying, and it was this that got me well behind the alternative design....fortunately I didnt have to make that choice cos I disliked it more than the other choices in the first part of the referndum! </p> -
You raise a good point TR.<br><br>
Not that I could vote anyway ... but Red Peak v NZ Ensign?<br><br>
Hated Peak. Found it bland, non descript and generic. It could have been the geometric stripes of any number of other countries. <br><br>
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I liked red peak at first until I saw the people that had jumped on the bandwagon , Winger and a horde of leftards and Twitter bullies. I wanted no part of that .<br><br>
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<p>I find it irritating that somehow the fact that the option contained a fern is seen as a bad thing. I actually wanted a fern on the new flag.. so did a lot of others.. which is why it beat off the option without a fern in the first referendum. So Andrew Little can go fuck himself.</p>
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<p>Andrew Little has bought up the Republic issue now...</p>
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<p>Bold move, one that quite possibly might impact their election hopes IMO if they put it on their promises</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/should-new-zealand-become-republic-labour-leader-signals-referendum-plan'>https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/should-new-zealand-become-republic-labour-leader-signals-referendum-plan</a></p> -
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<p>So:</p>
<p>referendum on the flag = waste of money</p>
<p>referendum on republic = money well spent</p>
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<p>OK, got it.</p>
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<p>after which, we'd need to decide on a new flag if we became a republic</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="567937" data-time="1459195515"><p>Andrew Little has bought up the Republic issue now...<br>
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Bold move, one that quite possibly might impact their election hopes IMO if they put it on their promises<br>
<br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/should-new-zealand-become-republic-labour-leader-signals-referendum-plan">https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/should-new-zealand-become-republic-labour-leader-signals-referendum-plan</a></p></blockquote>Remembering crowds that turned out for the last Royal visit I'd suggest the country is not keen on talk of republic. Could Little's Labour be any further out of touch. The only way it looks worse is if comrade Turei and the workers Green Party support it too -
The cost of going republic is massive. <br>
I'm no royalist but I don't see a need to change a political system that works reasonably well. <br>
Remember the the Queen is queen of NZ alongside being Queen of England etc. we aren't headed by a foreign Monarch just a monarch that also heads other countries. <br>
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The cost of going republic is massive. <br>
I'm no royalist but I don't see a need to change a political system that works reasonably well. <br>
Remember the the Queen is queen of NZ alongside being Queen of England etc. we aren't headed by a foreign Monarch just a monarch that also heads other countries. <br>
They may be a bunch of inbred Germans but having an independent entity isn't so bad.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I liked red peak at first until I saw the people that had jumped on the bandwagon , Winger and a horde of leftards and Twitter bullies. I wanted no part of that .<br><br>
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<p>Isn't that the same attitude as the people not wanting a flag change because it was Key's baby?</p>
