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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78322250/labour-mp-sue-moroney-slammed-for-meanspirited-lockwood-flag-attack'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/78322250/labour-mp-sue-moroney-slammed-for-meanspirited-lockwood-flag-attack</a></p>
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<p>FFS <img src="http://www.h2g2.com/h2g2/skins/Alabaster/images/Smilies/f_facepalm.gif" alt="f_facepalm.gif"></p>
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<p>How petty and out of touch do Labour MPs want to look to the public?</p> -
<p>Sue <strong>Moron</strong>ey. Name says it all really. She is everything that is wrong with MMP, doesn't get near winning a seat but happily stands and hates from the sideline while getting well paid.</p>
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<p>A good portion of Labour/Green MP's are complete fucking hypocrites when it comes to wealth and spending.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="568162" data-time="1459239702"><p>Sue <strong>Moron</strong>ey. Name says it all really. She is everything that is wrong with MMP, doesn't get near winning a seat but happily stands and hates from the sideline while getting well paid.<br>
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A good portion of Labour/Green MP's are complete fucking hypocrites when it comes to wealth and spending.</p></blockquote>And until they change their philosophy hopefully the electorate will not see them fit to govern -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="568162" data-time="1459239702"><p>Sue <strong>Moron</strong>ey. Name says it all really. She is everything that is wrong with MMP, doesn't get near winning a seat but happily stands and hates from the sideline while getting well paid.<br>
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A good portion of Labour/Green MP's are complete fucking hypocrites when it comes to wealth and spending.</p></blockquote>
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I don't begrudge them having money in fact I'd prefer it if they had been in business and been successful rather than being just another pathetic career politician . But last election Cunliffe mocked Keys house and when his own place was shown to be just as expensive snivelled that it was a doer upper now we have this clown knocking people for having beach homes when she has one of her own . I think she's stood unsuccessfully in six elections but is so toxic the incumbents majority normally increases .<br><br>
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<p>BOP was one of only 6 electorates to vote in favour of change. So I blame you other useless bastards.</p>
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<p>Looks like the poorer socio economic groups and Maori electorates were heavily against.</p>
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<p>Looks like the poorer socio economic groups and <strong>Maori electorates were heavily against.</strong></p>
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<p>that is surprising really...yeah there was a thing in our local newspaper about how 'we' lead the way against change...</p> -
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<p>that is surprising really...yeah there was a thing in our local newspaper about how 'we' lead the way against change...</p>
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<p>Yes they should be super proud of keeping the flag of the UK on their flag....</p> -
<p>So, national anthem time anybody?</p>
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<p class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Aotearoa, rugged individual<br>
Glisten like a pearl, at the bottom of the world<br>
The tyranny of distance, didn't stop the cavalier<br>
So why should it stop me? I'll conquer and stay free</p>
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<p class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Ah c'mon all you lads, let's forget and forgive<br>
There's a world to explore, tales to tell back on shore<br>
I just spent six months in a leaky boat<br>
Six months in a leaky boat</p>
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<p>i fucking love that song</p>
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<p>Is there a chance the lockwood flag is used in a widespread manner by people informally, a bit like a viral movement?</p>
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<p>Sporting audiences, private homes etc and it gains traction that way?</p>
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<p>Perhaps an athlete at the olympics or some such</p>
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<p>Just wondering because it seems weird if that's the end of a flag debate that was so close</p> -
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<p>Just wondering because it seems weird if that's the end of a flag debate that was so close</p>
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<p>All the anti flag-change people would have you believe it was a landslide. It was just John "Keys" trying to leave his legacy...</p> -
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<p>I don't begrudge them having money in fact I'd prefer it if they had been in business and been successful rather than being just another pathetic career politician . But last election Cunliffe mocked Keys house and when his own place was shown to be just as expensive snivelled that it was a doer upper now we have this clown knocking people for having beach homes when she has one of her own . I think she's stood unsuccessfully in six elections but is so toxic the incumbents majority normally increases .<br><br>
Reigning champ is Materislistic Turei who expects us all to settle for less but waddles around parliament in a jacket that costs almost three times the average wage .</p>
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<p>Back in the 60's or 70's a backbencher MP used to be paid roughly the same as a frontline cop. Look at the disparity now, where an average cop is on about 60-65k a year and a backbencher on 130k + per year. Obviously there are way more cops than MP's so to give them all pay rises costs a heap more than giving 120 MPs a pay increase each year, but even still, what a gulf that has opened up. I guess when you vote on your own payrise, it's hard to tell yourself there is no money in the budget, like cops, teachers and nurses etc hear every year.</p>
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<p>I think what shits me the most is the MP's who go from student/student politician until they're 25 or 26. Graduate with three degrees based around politcal studies and other stuff, straight into the political parties and become MPs before they're 30. Suddenly they're creaming it, with five eighths of fuck all life/work experience. </p>
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<p>It's worth pointing out that I realise the above comments have no real relevance to the flag debate, just rants about politicians in general...</p> -
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<p>So, national anthem time anybody?</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Aotearoa, rugged individual<br>
Glisten like a pearl, at the bottom of the world<br>
The tyranny of distance, didn't stop the cavalier<br>
So why should it stop me? I'll conquer and stay free</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxnov-reg', arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">Ah c'mon all you lads, let's forget and forgive<br>
There's a world to explore, tales to tell back on shore<br>
I just spent six months in a leaky boat<br>
Six months in a leaky boat</p>
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<p>Banned by the BBC which was a pisser as it made it hard for Enz to capitalise on success of True Colours in UK</p>
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<p>For what cops, teachers and nurses have to put up with every day, they should be paid shitloads.</p>
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<p>Totally agree about the MP payrise thing. Have they ever voted NOT to give themselves a payrise?</p>
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<p>TBF - they have and they also have no say in their pay. It is linked to public service pay grades.</p> -
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<p>TBF - they have and they also have no say in their pay. It is linked to public service pay grades.</p>
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<p>Really? Because for much of the last 8 years, the Police Association has had to scrap to get even 1% most years, yet the politicians seem to get offered 3-4% every year. Some years the cops were offered 0% payrise with a small lump sum payout (which obviously has no future cumulative effect) and I know nurses have been in the same boat for years too.</p>
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<p>I know something was brought in recently regarding MP's salaries where it has been taken out of their hands and given to an independant authority, but I'm pretty sure for much of the last 30 years they voted for and decided on their own pay. I read somewhere that they always have the pay vote just before Christmas because from a political perspective it's when the general public cares least about it, so is therefore less outraged.</p>
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<p>I have no qualms about the MPs who won their own electorates and do a lot for the community being paid well for the long hours they work, but plenty just snuck in by virtue of being high enough up the list in their respective parties and actually did horrendously in the elections</p> -
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<p>I have no qualms about the MPs who won their own electorates and do a lot for the community being paid well for the long hours they work, <strong>but plenty just snuck in by virtue of being high enough up the list in their respective parties and actually did horrendously in the elections</strong></p>
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<p>That's a downside of MMP, some real tools get into parliament who would have no show in the FPP days</p>
