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@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
Yeah I genuinely don't know either. Those forced military and boot camps have been generally shown to be a disaster. I was reading an expose about one that was run on Waiheke twenty or so years ago where boys were being sexually assaulted, beaten within an inch of their lives, told to dig their own graves etc. They came back angrier at the world than when they left. Likewise, teaching an angry teenager how to fire weapons and get strong and good at hand to hand combat comes with its own risks as well.
I get the premised behind it on how you should always try to rehabilitate a young offender before throwing them in the can, where they just get angrier and better connected - but the reality is, there is a certain percentage of the youth population who just won't abide by society's norms and who therefore the public deserve to be protected from. I remember one prolific juvenile offender who we had a circle on the muster room calendar for his 17th birthday, because then we could start locking him up as a matter of course when he got picked up doing crime (CYP law means you can only arrest a juvie in real narrow circumstances)
I'd like to see a greater use of electronically monitored bail for juvies. Often they get put with an extended family member (such as grandma) who either lies for them or is simply incapable of controlling them. The reality is that Police resources are incredibly stretched, so these guys might get check bail checked three times a week (there can be up to 100 people on curfew related bail in any one policing area). Or else, we used to hear stories of guys going out immediately after being checked, knowing the cops are unlikely to check them twice in an evening. EM bail would stop this because the flag would go up as soon as they left.
I understand EM bail is quite pricey and resource intensive, but it's gotta be better than the social cost innocent people being repeatedly victimised, hurt or killed by kids joyriding in stolen cars.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
Yeah I genuinely don't know either. Those forced military and boot camps have been generally shown to be a disaster. I was reading an expose about one that was run on Waiheke twenty or so years ago where boys were being sexually assaulted, beaten within an inch of their lives, told to dig their own graves etc. They came back angrier at the world than when they left. Likewise, teaching an angry teenager how to fire weapons and get strong and good at hand to hand combat comes with its own risks as well.
I get the premised behind it on how you should always try to rehabilitate a young offender before throwing them in the can, where they just get angrier and better connected - but the reality is, there is a certain percentage of the youth population who just won't abide by society's norms and who therefore the public deserve to be protected from. I remember one prolific juvenile offender who we had a circle on the muster room calendar for his 17th birthday, because then we could start locking him up as a matter of course when he got picked up doing crime (CYP law means you can only arrest a juvie in real narrow circumstances)
I'd like to see a greater use of electronically monitored bail for juvies. Often they get put with an extended family member (such as grandma) who either lies for them or is simply incapable of controlling them. The reality is that Police resources are incredibly stretched, so these guys might get check bail checked three times a week (there can be up to 100 people on curfew related bail in any one policing area). Or else, we used to hear stories of guys going out immediately after being checked, knowing the cops are unlikely to check them twice in an evening. EM bail would stop this because the flag would go up as soon as they left.
I understand EM bail is quite pricey and resource intensive, but it's gotta be better than the social cost innocent people being repeatedly victimised, hurt or killed by kids joyriding in stolen cars.
Speaking of things I’d be happy to have my tax dollars spent on.
Good post, thanks.
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@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
I think criminologists have been struggling with that question for decades.
Harsher punishments/imprisonment on their own don't seem to work - just look at the US. A combination of intervention at an early stage and actually making offenders (and sometimes their parents) face up to and pay for the consequences of their crimes might make a difference.
Rehabilitation and preventing re-offending are key, but so is a recognition that some criminals are better kept inside prison than out.
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@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
Genuine question: do these types of attacks occur in Middle Eastern cities?
I imagine Iranians would be fairly tough on such depravity.
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@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
I think criminologists have been struggling with that question for decades.
Harsher punishments/imprisonment on their own don't seem to work - just look at the US. A combination of intervention at an early stage and actually making offenders (and sometimes their parents) face up to and pay for the consequences of their crimes might make a difference.
Rehabilitation and preventing re-offending are key, but so is a recognition that some criminals are better kept inside prison than out.
Yeah it's gotta be remembered that for the most part, these sorts of offenders aren't created in isolation. Fetal alcohol and drug syndromes, poverty, violence in the home, intergenerational welfare dependency etc are very common features in many young criminals' lives. Obviously much bigger and more structural issues which are significantly harder to address, but all of which play a part in shaping the young criminal.
There certainly isn't the "honour" in the new generation of criminals that there was in the old school. The whole concept of not shitting in your own backyard, not attacking women, not burgling residential addresses is no longer there. I've dealt with some very old school crims who would only do industrial or commercial burglaries, because residential burglaries against "actual victims" wasn't okay. Guys who wouldn't carry weapons into fights, because fights were things you did one on one with your fists etc. Don't get me wrong - absolute bad buggers, who deserved every day they spent in jail, but also not the sort of guys who would attack a family in their house either.
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@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
...bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Also interesting to read they are under age of no particular appearance - four kilometres from central CBD Brisbane, long history of obvious suspects active in this zone, police prevented from revealing any identifying characteristics for fear of being shot at dawn for being bigoted and horrid, ... it has been a long march and a successful campaign and the locals are stuck with it.
Expect no further official reports and no further un-cliché-d information on this matter.
Notwithstanding the local Tongan expatriates will take their own steps and be active for a bit, hunting down those who are due for retribution. It has happened before. That too is a familiar feature in suburban Brisbane - like it or not.
When the politicians and the cops fail to act objectively to protect the law-abiding majority it should be no surprise.
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@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
I think criminologists have been struggling with that question for decades.
Harsher punishments/imprisonment on their own don't seem to work - just look at the US. A combination of intervention at an early stage and actually making offenders (and sometimes their parents) face up to and pay for the consequences of their crimes might make a difference.
Rehabilitation and preventing re-offending are key, but so is a recognition that some criminals are better kept inside prison than out.
My issue with dropping harsher punishments is that they may not work on the lost cause psychos who never stood a chance in life, but I reckon they work on those who keep on committing crimes and not reforming because there simply are no consequences. I might be completely wrong here, but it seems to me that the focus is on the ones who are beyond saving rather than those who can be changed.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
...bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Also interesting to read they are under age of no particular appearance - four kilometres from central CBD Brisbane, long history of obvious suspects active in this zone, police prevented from revealing any identifying characteristics for fear of being shot at dawn for being bigoted and horrid, ... it has been a long march and a successful campaign and the locals are stuck with it.
Expect no further official reports and no further un-cliché-d information on this matter.
Notwithstanding the local Tongan expatriates will take their own steps and be active for a bit, hunting down those who are due for retribution. It has happened before. That too is a familiar feature in suburban Brisbane - like it or not.
When the politicians and the cops fail to act objectively to protect the law-abiding majority it should be no surprise.
Yes. In this article there's plenty of info about the car used (no doubt long abandoned) but not a single description of the perp on the run.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
...bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Also interesting to read they are under age of no particular appearance - four kilometres from central CBD Brisbane, long history of obvious suspects active in this zone, police prevented from revealing any identifying characteristics for fear of being shot at dawn for being bigoted and horrid, ... it has been a long march and a successful campaign and the locals are stuck with it.
Expect no further official reports and no further un-cliché-d information on this matter.
Notwithstanding the local Tongan expatriates will take their own steps and be active for a bit, hunting down those who are due for retribution. It has happened before. That too is a familiar feature in suburban Brisbane - like it or not.
When the politicians and the cops fail to act objectively to protect the law-abiding majority it should be no surprise.
I know exactly where they come from goodna and that they are refugees.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
...Notwithstanding the local Tongan expatriates will take their own steps and be active for a bit, hunting down those who are due for retribution.
Starts getting murky…system regularly failing victims and sky high levels of justifiable frustration and anger… got to be sure you getting all the right perpetrators and then even if they aren’t all the exact culprits for one event, the mob justice actions become some release of that anger regardless. The system is often a mess here in SA too from a victim perspective and there is no coming back from dead if you were wrong about one of the recipients… tough calls especially if the “ justice” dispensed to some was “righteous” , the mistakes won’t matter.
Violent confrontational incident often linked to substance abuse where perpetrators simply DGAF. This incident sounds savage. It is massively disempowering trying to face down violent drug fueled rage with logic or ethics. As in…. “ just take the stuff and leave us alone” Stuff can be replaced… I really really hope they all make full recoveries. It’s just horrific…for what?? Some more drug money….??? FFS💣
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@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Speaking from New Zealand perspective - the curfew to a juvie offender is about as useful as a the proverbial on a bull. They often come from homes where there is no respect for rule of law, or parents are out doing the same thing - so they just go out and do it over again. The threshold for having a juvie remanded in custody is incredibly high when it is for volume crime offences (burgs, car thefts etc). I'm hearing from cops here that since the NZ Police announced they won't be pursuing vehicles, the number of juvies stealing cars and doing "adult crimes" such as ram raids and agg robberies has sky rocketed, because they know they're untouchable.
To make matters worse in Qld it is not an offence for a juvenile to breach bail or curfew. All we can do is record Bail Checks and if they are not home we can use the breaches as grounds for objecting to further bail if they are charged with another offence. Even when the shits are found on the street in Breach there is nothing police can do except take them home.
As for the no pursuit policy NZ police are dealing with, Qld has had that for years now. NZ can look forward to an increase in stolen cars from break and enters, increase in car jackings, an increase in fleeing drivers attempting to ram police cars or run police officers over. The list goes on. The unlucky few get caught, most get away with it.
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@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Speaking from New Zealand perspective - the curfew to a juvie offender is about as useful as a the proverbial on a bull. They often come from homes where there is no respect for rule of law, or parents are out doing the same thing - so they just go out and do it over again. The threshold for having a juvie remanded in custody is incredibly high when it is for volume crime offences (burgs, car thefts etc). I'm hearing from cops here that since the NZ Police announced they won't be pursuing vehicles, the number of juvies stealing cars and doing "adult crimes" such as ram raids and agg robberies has sky rocketed, because they know they're untouchable.
To make matters worse in Qld it is not an offence for a juvenile to breach bail or curfew. All we can do is record Bail Checks and if they are not home we can use the breaches as grounds for objecting to further bail if they are charged with another offence. Even when the shits are found on the street in Breach there is nothing police can do except take them home.
As for the no pursuit policy NZ police are dealing with, Qld has had that for years now. NZ can look forward to an increase in stolen cars from break and enters, increase in car jackings, an increase in fleeing drivers attempting to ram police cars or run police officers over. The list goes on. The unlucky few get caught, most get away with it.
They don't exactly stack the deck in your favor, do they?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
I think criminologists have been struggling with that question for decades.
Harsher punishments/imprisonment on their own don't seem to work - just look at the US. A combination of intervention at an early stage and actually making offenders (and sometimes their parents) face up to and pay for the consequences of their crimes might make a difference.
Rehabilitation and preventing re-offending are key, but so is a recognition that some criminals are better kept inside prison than out.
My issue with dropping harsher punishments is that they may not work on the lost cause psychos who never stood a chance in life, but I reckon they work on those who keep on committing crimes and not reforming because there simply are no consequences. I might be completely wrong here, but it seems to me that the focus is on the ones who are beyond saving rather than those who can be changed.
Harsher punishments like longer jail terms just don't seem to work. Making the offenders face the consequences of their crime - which in many cases is a harsher sentence - does seem to. Assault a cab driver - you pay for his lost income and clean his cab for a year.
That said, you need a carrot as well as a stick and society needs to accept ex-cons need to be helped back into normal life and given a bit of leeway to do that. Brand someone a criminal and they'll act like one
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@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Yeah it's gotta be remembered that for the most part, these sorts of offenders aren't created in isolation. Fetal alcohol and drug syndromes, poverty, violence in the home, intergenerational welfare dependency etc are very common features in many young criminals' lives. Obviously much bigger and more structural issues which are significantly harder to address, but all of which play a part in shaping the young criminal.
Yeah, upbringing has a huge impact. Mate of mine was a community copper in Hertfordshire - they ran a scheme with the local council where young offenders could spend a week on a council project (clearing derelict land etc) rather than go thru the justice system. When the project was completed, there was a little award ceremony where the Mayor or Snr Policeman gave them all a little certificate and thanked them for all their hard work on behalf of the town.
Many of these kids would start crying when they received their awards. For the first time in their lives, someone had treated them with respect and taken the time to thank them for their efforts. Working with real adults, being treated as adults and engaged in something useful and having a stake in society was something new for a lot of them
He reckoned the scheme made a substantial reduction in low-level crime in the town and probably stopped quite a few from becoming habitual villains.
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@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Yeah it's gotta be remembered that for the most part, these sorts of offenders aren't created in isolation. Fetal alcohol and drug syndromes, poverty, violence in the home, intergenerational welfare dependency etc are very common features in many young criminals' lives. Obviously much bigger and more structural issues which are significantly harder to address, but all of which play a part in shaping the young criminal.
Yeah, upbringing has a huge impact. Mate of mine was a community copper in Hertfordshire - they ran a scheme with the local council where young offenders could spend a week on a council project (clearing derelict land etc) rather than go thru the justice system. When the project was completed, there was a little award ceremony where the Mayor or Snr Policeman gave them all a little certificate and thanked them for all their hard work on behalf of the town.
Many of these kids would start crying when they received their awards. For the first time in their lives, someone had treated them with respect and taken the time to thank them for their efforts. Working with real adults, being treated as adults and engaged in something useful and having a stake in society was something new for a lot of them
He reckoned the scheme made a substantial reduction in low-level crime in the town and probably stopped quite a few from becoming habitual villains.
That's a scheme that sounds worthwhile. And probably no longer exists because the civil libertarians deemed it an infringement of the kids' human rights.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Yeah it's gotta be remembered that for the most part, these sorts of offenders aren't created in isolation. Fetal alcohol and drug syndromes, poverty, violence in the home, intergenerational welfare dependency etc are very common features in many young criminals' lives. Obviously much bigger and more structural issues which are significantly harder to address, but all of which play a part in shaping the young criminal.
Yeah, upbringing has a huge impact. Mate of mine was a community copper in Hertfordshire - they ran a scheme with the local council where young offenders could spend a week on a council project (clearing derelict land etc) rather than go thru the justice system. When the project was completed, there was a little award ceremony where the Mayor or Snr Policeman gave them all a little certificate and thanked them for all their hard work on behalf of the town.
Many of these kids would start crying when they received their awards. For the first time in their lives, someone had treated them with respect and taken the time to thank them for their efforts. Working with real adults, being treated as adults and engaged in something useful and having a stake in society was something new for a lot of them
He reckoned the scheme made a substantial reduction in low-level crime in the town and probably stopped quite a few from becoming habitual villains.
That's a scheme that sounds worthwhile. And probably no longer exists because the civil libertarians deemed it an infringement of the kids' human rights.
I honestly don't know if schemes like this are still running - I hope they are.
If they aren't, it's probably less about human rights and more about unions protecting council jobs and complaints from right-wing media about young criminals being given an easy life.
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@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
That said, you need a carrot as well as a stick and society needs to accept ex-cons need to be helped back into normal life and given a bit of leeway to do that. Brand someone a criminal and they'll act like one
Agreed. Dr Paul Wood is a great example of how prisoners can use their time productively to make a brighter future. From memory, he's the first murderer in New Zealand to have his lifetime parole removed. Everyone convicted of murder in New Zealand is subject to lifetime parole, where in theory they can be recalled for any breach of the law or parole conditions, but the parole board decided his turnaround was so marked that he was no longer a risk to society and therefore didn't need to be on parole anymore.
Obviously he's incredibly atypical, but I think a greater focus on vocational training for medium to long term inmates would be a good start. Things like teaching them trade skills and start churning out prefabricated houses from within the prison or similar schemes should be a no-brainer. Reward them with reductions in sentences etc for getting a vocation or educating themselves. It won't reach every prisoner, but it might win back some of the middle ground where a borderline prisoner might fall into a gang instead.
A guy I went to school with ran a young child over while speeding and ended up in prison aged 18. Not a bad guy, just a young guy who made dumb choices behind the wheel. He managed to get school C and bursary, lost a heap of weight, and as far as I know now lives a far more productive life than he otherwise might have if he carried on down the path he was going.
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@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
One suspect still on the run, but I suspect the other two will rat him out.
Seriously impressed with Toutai Kefu's actions here. Hero!
Absolutely although I think we’d all get pretty feral if our families were threatened in the middle of the night in a home invasion.
im always afraid if put in the same situation id actually chicken out
You wouldn't. Had it happen about three times in PNG, possibly more, just different severities. We had razor wire fences and all sorts, didn't help. The adrenaline gets going and you fire up. I'm a large bloke and PNG guys aren't, so that helped, but then Toutai is big too and hard to argue with a machete or axe. Poor bugger Just hope they all come out of it O.K.
Great hearing from the cops on here. Gives a bit more insight into all of this shit. And it is shit.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
That said, you need a carrot as well as a stick and society needs to accept ex-cons need to be helped back into normal life and given a bit of leeway to do that. Brand someone a criminal and they'll act like one
Agreed. Dr Paul Wood is a great example of how prisoners can use their time productively to make a brighter future. From memory, he's the first murderer in New Zealand to have his lifetime parole removed. Everyone convicted of murder in New Zealand is subject to lifetime parole, where in theory they can be recalled for any breach of the law or parole conditions, but the parole board decided his turnaround was so marked that he was no longer a risk to society and therefore didn't need to be on parole anymore.
Obviously he's incredibly atypical, but I think a greater focus on vocational training for medium to long term inmates would be a good start. Things like teaching them trade skills and start churning out prefabricated houses from within the prison or similar schemes should be a no-brainer. Reward them with reductions in sentences etc for getting a vocation or educating themselves. It won't reach every prisoner, but it might win back some of the middle ground where a borderline prisoner might fall into a gang instead.
A guy I went to school with ran a young child over while speeding and ended up in prison aged 18. Not a bad guy, just a young guy who made dumb choices behind the wheel. He managed to get school C and bursary, lost a heap of weight, and as far as I know now lives a far more productive life than he otherwise might have if he carried on down the path he was going.
I brought up Paul Wood in another thread, he was a year behind me at college so I vaguely remember him and reading about everything he got up to as a young fella resonated as he was talking about areas I knew well ( Karori was a great spot for teenage parties ).
He points out that while Prison has some irredeemably bad people that shouldn’t ever mix with society again the vast majority are people who made one or more really bad decisions, I suspect that’s pretty accurate.
His turnaround is nothing short of remarkable, how he did it in prison ( again, his book describes the awful conditions in vivid detail ) is beyond me. What an amazing story of redemption, but yeah, how many people a) want to achieve that b) have the ability to achieve that and c) have the opportunity to achieve that ? Sadly, fuck all.
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@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@victor-meldrew said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Yeah it's gotta be remembered that for the most part, these sorts of offenders aren't created in isolation. Fetal alcohol and drug syndromes, poverty, violence in the home, intergenerational welfare dependency etc are very common features in many young criminals' lives. Obviously much bigger and more structural issues which are significantly harder to address, but all of which play a part in shaping the young criminal.
Yeah, upbringing has a huge impact. Mate of mine was a community copper in Hertfordshire - they ran a scheme with the local council where young offenders could spend a week on a council project (clearing derelict land etc) rather than go thru the justice system. When the project was completed, there was a little award ceremony where the Mayor or Snr Policeman gave them all a little certificate and thanked them for all their hard work on behalf of the town.
Many of these kids would start crying when they received their awards. For the first time in their lives, someone had treated them with respect and taken the time to thank them for their efforts. Working with real adults, being treated as adults and engaged in something useful and having a stake in society was something new for a lot of them
He reckoned the scheme made a substantial reduction in low-level crime in the town and probably stopped quite a few from becoming habitual villains.
That's a scheme that sounds worthwhile. And probably no longer exists because the civil libertarians deemed it an infringement of the kids' human rights.
I honestly don't know if schemes like this are still running - I hope they are.
If they aren't, it's probably less about human rights and more about unions protecting council jobs and complaints from right-wing media about young criminals being given an easy life.
In my dealings with the system, every agency, department, body etc, whether it be Child Safety, the Police, hospitals or schools all blamed the politicians and civil libertarians. The media (whether right, left or nonbinary) generally don't give a flying f unless there's a tragedy. When a couple were tragically killed by a teenage feral in a stolen car some months back, we heard about how there would be a clamp down, stricter penalties etc. But as night follows day the civil libertarians were out there whining about human rights. And for whatever reason our "representative" politicians seem to care more about what these people have to say than those whose lives have been destroyed.
Just a small example with my son. He went missing so I filed a missing persons report. I was worried sick. He had a history of overdosing, mental illness, drug use, petty theft, vandalism, you name it. Much to my eternal shame he was well-known to the police and security staff. He was 14 at the time. When the police found him they were not allowed by law to tell me where he was. His human rights you see. This seems to be a problem across the board. There are a variety of areas where it can be legitimately argued that the system was too harsh or abusive. Yet instead of looking to find a sensible middle way or compromise, it goes to the opposite extreme which is equally if not more harmful.
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