The Future of Protein?
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
That's very environmentally responsible, the world's pop is too big.
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@tim Yeah Chicken appears to be the most efficient live animal meat. I wonder if the price of feed is driven down by subsidies etc. I have no doubt the price of plant based protein will continue to drop as demand increases and more investment is made. It has to be the same price or cheaper before lots of people change their buying habits.
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@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
That is super far off, particularly at scale. Even it did take off, it will be direct competition with the healthy organic market.
So will always be a market for real meat IMO.
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
My immediate reaction to the thread title.
An 'Infinite Monkey Cage' episode on this was along the lines of insects being very similar to crustaceans.
I'll see if I can find it.
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@taniwharugby said in The Future of Protein?:
and then what happens to sheep/cows/chickens etc if not farmed? Extinct, or need to be kept on a big open grass expanse to roam free?
there is currently nearly 26 billion chickens in the world. I think we can survive without quite a few of those
and 1 billion cows https://www.statista.com/statistics/263979/global-cattle-population-since-1990/
Poultry: number of chickens worldwide 2023| Statista
How many chickens are in the world? The number of chickens worldwide has more than doubled since 1990.
Considering we eviscerated so many mammals etc for cows chickens etc, I suggest we have too many..
Humans just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals – study
Groundbreaking assessment of all life on Earth reveals humanity’s surprisingly tiny part in it as well as our disproportionate impact
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
so vegetarians should be safe, as they will have a far less meaty taste..
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@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
Thai's love eating bugs. And pay good money (by Thai stds) for them. I thought of trying but gave it a miss
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@winger said in The Future of Protein?:
@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
Thai's love eating bugs. And pay good money (by Thai stds) for them. I thought of trying but gave it a miss
Yeah, will have to be presented slightly differently to western eaters.
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@chimoaus soy would have to be one of the most popular and subsidized crops in the world. And a huge amount of deforestation has gone on to allow that. Now often that's used for feeding agriculture at high intensive feeding farms.
I would definitely avoid a world based on soy protein if I could
Also monculture industrial horticulture is very very harsh on soils and requires a alot of water usually through irrigation so the trade off isn't so amazing.
Basically less people allows for low intensive farming like nzs beef and sheep farms which by world standards are as low cost to the environment as food can be.
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
Basically less people
so back to the cannibalism part mentioned at the start
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@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
I'll send you some recipes.
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
with all the plastics in the world are there any?
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@winger Nothing wrong with eating bugs. Crickets are surprisingly pleasant. Silk worms are bloody fantastic.
@antipodean said in The Future of Protein?:
She said it was "weird". Then when pressed asked how you could be know what cut it was modelled on, i.e. how you weren't getting a turdburger made from lips and arseholes, or a rolled roast wasn't a dick, etc.
Hope your missus doesn't eat commercial sausages then
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
Can we add cyclists and vegans ?
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Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Future of Protein?:
Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
I’m defriending, blocking AND reporting you on every platform I possibly can.
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@mn5 said in The Future of Protein?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Future of Protein?:
Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
I’m defriending, blocking AND reporting you on every platform I possibly can.
Pffft. I'll never get banned from here.
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@frank said in The Future of Protein?:
I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years and would welcome less animals being slaughtered and plant protein being used instead. I have never really thought about the environmental angle and I suppose that is important (because that actually might hurt humans so people are now worried - ha ha), I just feel sad when I see animals killed (and growing up on a farm, I saw a lot of that).
Same for me, both in time as a vegetarian and my original reasons, but when I did a bit of reading as a teenager, even then (1994), clearing South American rainforest for beef farming was a known environmental problem both in terms of lost biodiversity and the greenhouse effect from reducing carbon dioxide sinks.
There's a lot of research to show that land is used more efficiently when it produces food for people directly than for animals which are eaten later (in that more people can be fed per hectare of land from one than the other), but it's a bit limited in NZ because there is a lot of land here that is nearly useless agricultural land, but adequate pastoral land e.g. sheep can easily survive on grass on the side of a hill that can't be farmed, so sheep at least converts non-arable land into food.
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