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    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @kiwipie said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @catogrande said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage

    People can argue as much as the want about T20 / ODI being completely different, but it's still the same sport.

    The difference is that the white ball moves for a few overs at most and the pitches are designed to be roads. On a lively wicket like Melbourne was and with a red ball which continues to move around when it gets older, you need a technique to avoid nicking one. You have to leave well, you have to determine whether to go forward or back, you have to play late etc etc. Foot down the pitch and hit through the line doesn't cut it. It isn't that the one day stars couldn't learn the technique, it is just that they don't need to in order to prosper in the short form game. It is easier to adapt a great technique to a T20 (as Williamson, Conway have done) but much, much harder to go the other way.

    It actually makes the career of Warner so much more remarkable. He was a one day basher who was given a go at test cricket and he made himself very good at it.

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Warney is surprisingly magnanimous in commentary about the English, he was genuinely praising pretty much all of them at one point or another.

    As I mentioned earlier much more so than Tubby, Slats and Heals not too long ago.

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    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

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    @rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

    Were they underdone going into the series like we were? A test series in Australia is hard enough as it is without some decent warmup games

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    @canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

    Were they underdone going into the series like we were? A test series in Australia is hard enough as it is without some decent warmup games

    Yes they were, although that was partly if their own making, having chosen to play little red ball cricket and rotate the squad that was playing red ball.

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    @catogrande said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

    Were they underdone going into the series like we were? A test series in Australia is hard enough as it is without some decent warmup games

    Yes they were, although that was partly if their own making, having chosen to play little red ball cricket and rotate the squad that was playing red ball.

    We had no warm up games either. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

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    @catogrande said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage

    I fear that you are right in what you say. There seems to be something wrong in the current set up. This has been papered over by a few good results that really have been driven by Root standing tall and the odd bit of help from random others along the way.

    I'm pretty much far away from cricket these days, but watched an hour or two of the game and it seemed to me the batsmen just ween't there mentally.

    You're spot-on about Root standing tall - what a player - but I think Anderson has been immense as well.

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    @canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @catogrande said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

    Were they underdone going into the series like we were? A test series in Australia is hard enough as it is without some decent warmup games

    Yes they were, although that was partly if their own making, having chosen to play little red ball cricket and rotate the squad that was playing red ball.

    We had no warm up games either. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    And of course nothing in between tests. Therefore someone like Crawley coming in in the third test has no actual cricket for an age.

    Edit: Not played anything meaningful since September.

    Here you go mate, you’ve not played for months and not at all in Australia, you go in first dig against Cummins, Starc etc at the MCG.

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    Aren't England Lions touring concurrently? Shouldn't the non playing members join them for your games?

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  • CatograndeC Online
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    @booboo said in Ashes 2021-22:

    Aren't England Lions touring concurrently? Shouldn't the non playing members join them for your games?

    Would make more sense.

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  • boobooB Offline
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    "Your" should have been "tour"

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  • CatograndeC Online
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    @booboo said in Ashes 2021-22:

    "Your" should have been "tour"

    Either works 😀

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    replied to Catogrande on last edited by Rapido
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    @catogrande said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:

    The point is that I think they have the talent pool to do much better than they have. Currently tho they don’t have the mentality.

    I’m not an England supporter at all with cricket.

    But I really can’t stand crowing Australians. Not that long ago Warne was calling India easily the best team in the world …. After they’d beaten England. Oh, and lost to us a month earlier.

    Agree.

    They are in opener hell and for that there isn't really an obvious way out - so I kind of give them a pass on that (even though selections have been dubious there)

    But between Malan, Morgan, Buttler, Ballance, Bairstow, Vince, Pope and Crawley it's just bizarre they haven't been able to produce three steady test performers going into this series.

    Were they underdone going into the series like we were? A test series in Australia is hard enough as it is without some decent warmup games

    Yes they were, although that was partly if their own making, having chosen to play little red ball cricket and rotate the squad that was playing red ball.

    Also because first test was in Brisbane they spent warm up opportunity time doing quarantine. Should have been re-jigged to start NSW or Vic.

    Still would have been a one-sided slaughter regardless. But CA insistence on doing traditional first test at Gabbatoir has probably cost them a few days gate revenue (and rising) over course of the series.

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    Ouch. That’s rough when a bowler who bats a bit overtakes you.

    I’ve picked on Stokes a bit in the past but I genuinely hope he can battle back, the rest of this cluster fuck of a series could do with some battling displays from him.

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    @mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:

    Leach might be the worst test cricketer I have seen

    And I've seen some really ordinary ones

    @mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:

    Leach might be the worst test cricketer I have seen

    And I've seen some really ordinary ones

    He makes Satnav look like a world beater.

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    @crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:

    Leach might be the worst test cricketer I have seen

    And I've seen some really ordinary ones

    @mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:

    Leach might be the worst test cricketer I have seen

    And I've seen some really ordinary ones

    He makes Satnav look like a world beater.

    Fuck no, ridiculous comment. He has a perfectly respectable career, just had a shocker alongside loads of others.

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    @mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:

    I’ve picked on Stokes a bit in the past but I genuinely hope he can battle back, the rest of this cluster fuck of a series could do with some battling displays from him.

    You ranga types need to stick together

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    @nta said in Ashes 2021-22:

    @mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:

    I’ve picked on Stokes a bit in the past but I genuinely hope he can battle back, the rest of this cluster fuck of a series could do with some battling displays from him.

    You ranga types need to stick together

    Oi, you promised!

    @nta said in Fernies and Sporties..and the Winners are...:

    @canerbry said in Fernies and Sporties..and the Winners are...:

    Fuckin robbed.

    That's what I was thinking.

    I'm not speaking to any of you fluffybunnies for the rest of the year....

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    He doesn't count. Rangas don't have souls.

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