The Current State of Rugby
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
because it has decided the onfield ref ultimately makes the determination, we have the farce of the 3 onfield refs standing around looking at the big screen, angle by angle, and different speeds
Plus the speaking in code ("Can I show you another angle", "Have you considered the actions of the ball carrier" etc)
Personally I would prefer the TMO to make the call themselves. Their career can live and die on their judgment. Over time good TMO's will rise to the top.
The decisions by committee don't lead to more accurate outcomes and it takes time.
Also I think part of this is arse covering. If all the officials are participate in the decision then none of the refs are ultimately responsible
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@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
because it has decided the onfield ref ultimately makes the determination, we have the farce of the 3 onfield refs standing around looking at the big screen, angle by angle, and different speeds
Plus the speaking in code ("Can I show you another angle", "Have you considered the actions of the ball carrier" etc)
Personally I would prefer the TMO to make the call themselves. Their career can live and die on their judgment. Over time good TMO's will rise to the top.
The decisions by committee don't lead to more accurate outcomes and it takes time.
Also I think part of this is arse covering. If all the officials are participate in the decision then none of the refs are ultimately responsible
It used to work like that and the worst refs became TMOs. There were some absolute shockers. Guys with zero feel for the game or common sense were making appalling decisions.
Evidence : George Ayoub and/or Shaun Veldsman
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@mariner4life Yeah the bunker really is so much faster to make crucial decision. 2-3 replays tops and decision made.
The pace and intensity of SOO last night was so much higher than anything I've seen in rugby this year. Incredible really. Not a flattering juxtaposition to the weekend.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
The intention to speed the game up needs to come from WR. And like our union and many others, they aren't showing much leadership right now. What job should they have that's more important than protecting and growing the popularity of the game?
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@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@pakman hit the nail on the head
Or not
That was a thinly veiled pat on the back from Shaun.
France didn't get any YC or RC because I coached them to approach the tackle and ruck situation differently from previous seasons.
I'll die on this hill.
Aim lower
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@chimoaus said in The Current State of Rugby:
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
I'm a big fan of bringing back substitutions for injuries only
Define injury
You don't have to define it, you just have to limit the number of subs allowed. full size bench, but only 3 subs allowed for the game, nominally for injury. Then you can't rort the system that much.
I have to say having been a reserve in rep rugby as a teenager where you only came on for injury were some of the worst moments of my rugby playing days. I was stoked to have made the rep team, trained etc. But I was not good enough to make the starting side. We travelled playing other rep sides and I got maybe 5-10 minutes total in all the games. The other 4+ hours or so was standing in the cold on the sideline with all my gear on doing nothing.
Being a reserve is tough and I can't help but feel for players under this system getting very little game time at all.
Institute it only at the elite level
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
Only issue being - it's both teams doing this stuff, regardless of if it's their ball or not. How do you decide who to free kick?
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
Only issue being - it's both teams doing this stuff, regardless of if it's their ball or not. How do you decide who to free kick?
Team not in possession.
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@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@pakman hit the nail on the head
Or not
That was a thinly veiled pat on the back from Shaun.
France didn't get any YC or RC because I coached them to approach the tackle and ruck situation differently from previous seasons.
I'll die on this hill.
Aim lower
You read what you want to read. I didn't focus on the France part. Mainly about his playing days
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
I agree that RSA's 60m residents would be a big factor for WR and the RWC. However, in the scheme of things, I honestly don't think WR could give two sh!ts about whether a few hundred thousand die hard Kiwi and Aussie rugby fans tune into their RWC.
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‘I’ve had enough’: Eddie Jones calls for global summit on future of rugby union
England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet in the autumn to discuss how to improve an increasingly stop-start game
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
‘I’ve had enough’: Eddie Jones calls for global summit on future of rugby union
England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet in the autumn to discuss how to improve an increasingly stop-start game
Let Eddie run the summit, fans can see it, coaches can see it, players can see it. The only people that can't are World Rugby. Shit needs to change and pretty bloody quickly.
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
Reality check: Europe would quite happily cut NZ and AUS from the RWC and it wouldn't affect the value of the product very much at all. Pacific nations as well.
The Boks they'd look at with more detail because of URC and other recent initiatives, but they would struggle to give less fucks about the two countries a day's flight away with limited fan base and a future under threat from a maximised market and narrowing pathways.
It has happened in Australia and is happening in NZ with the way schools are warehousing talent for the pro game, and clubs in the grassroots band are dying.
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@NTA i fear you might be right, i think what people underestimate on this side of the world is fans connections to their club will most often outweigh the quality of the rugby theyre watching
so even if we say NZ and Aus have the best players in the world...whilst fan in the UK might love seeing them as an exhibition every so often they would still just as readily go and see "their team" cop a hiding...complain the whole time but still go
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
‘I’ve had enough’: Eddie Jones calls for global summit on future of rugby union
England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet in the autumn to discuss how to improve an increasingly stop-start game
He's not wrong is he?
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
‘I’ve had enough’: Eddie Jones calls for global summit on future of rugby union
England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet in the autumn to discuss how to improve an increasingly stop-start game
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
