All Blacks 2022
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
More damning of Plumtree IMO. If Foster has been laying out the vision and it's not being implemented then the only fault that lays with him is supporting Plumtree at the end of last year.
While that may be true, there is no 'only'. Foster is the head coach, and team performance is his responsibility. Whether it is caused by Foster's failings or Foster accepting Plumtree's failings is irrelevant.
Only if you want to ignore a problem may have been fixed.
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I want Paps and Sotutu to get some game time. We could be missing a trick here
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
Schalk Burger on the Rugby Pod -
Great story about Palmy steak pie heist.
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OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Me neither. Not against the likes of Jonathan Danty, Aki, Kerevi.
Havili was swallowed up and spat out in Dublin on the EOYT.
Rieko scrambled well the other day against the Boks but take away his pace and he would have been fucked. All it will take is a poor defensive read (like Leicester Fainga'anuku shooting up against the Irish) in a World Cup QF and we will be on the plane home.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
Time is against us.
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
EOYT we may have ALB back, so could try him at 12 and Rieko/Goodhue at 13.
Also Tupaea/ALB and Tupaea/Goodhue.
Not enough games?!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
Probably a complete pipe dream but IMHO the best combo is JB and Goodhue. I would love to see a backline of Smith, BB/RM, JB, Goodhue, Reiko, Clark, Jordan. That would be pretty. In terms of 10, I heart BB, but I heart the Allblacks more. I'd like to see both the 10s play under the "new regime" of a forward pack actually establishing go-forward before passing judgement.
In the forwards, I think we need at least 2 big munters starting in the back row. Ardie and Cane starting isn't optimal and one has to be benched. Nothing new there I guess.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Fullback in the midfield at RWC, what could go wrong?
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Fullback in the midfield at RWC, what could go wrong?
I would argue that we have a midfielder playing 15.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What’s George Moala up to ?
Frizell and Reece got selected so no reason he can’t as well.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
ill save some heartarch ALB has to be in one of the starting poistions . so who the parnter him?
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What those analysis videos highlight (whether correct in detail or not) is that there is far more to the midfield functioning well than we see on a surface level. It's not 'moves' as such but more a pattern that requires sometimes perfect positioning .
It's what we see in teams like Ireland and why players we consider as limited (e.g. Bundee Aki) can look so good.
In searching for the right players for the 12/13 jerseys in the ABs, whether through injury, availability or just plain searching we didn't allow those patterns to be fully understood and implemented until they became second nature. It is partly a combination thing but more a key piece to an overall pattern. If you are slightly forward you rush the pass, slightly back there is no opportunity. That's the kind of margins they play with at these levels.
As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo. ALB can come back as bench/cover because he is a smart enough player to be proficient in shooting in within the pattern. Maybe Goodhue the same. Tupaea was being used in that role because the others weren't there to shadow at training, hence him slotting in at 13.
I don't think Jordie has the brains to play that way. He, like BB, does his best work instinctively. -
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What those analysis videos highlight (whether correct in detail or not) is that there is far more to the midfield functioning well than we see on a surface level. It's not 'moves' as such but more a pattern that requires sometimes perfect positioning .
It's what we see in teams like Ireland and why players we consider as limited (e.g. Bundee Aki) can look so good.
In searching for the right players for the 12/13 jerseys in the ABs, whether through injury, availability or just plain searching we didn't allow those patterns to be fully understood and implemented until they became second nature. It is partly a combination thing but more a key piece to an overall pattern. If you are slightly forward you rush the pass, slightly back there is no opportunity. That's the kind of margins they play with at these levels.
As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo. ALB can come back as bench/cover because he is a smart enough player to be proficient in shooting in within the pattern. Maybe Goodhue the same. Tupaea was being used in that role because the others weren't there to shadow at training, hence him slotting in at 13.
I don't think Jordie has the brains to play that way. He, like BB, does his best work instinctively.interesting argement.
discuss the nouses of midfield play and reading it but put the best and most experenced player on the bench ,but want a full back/ winger compo there instead -
So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
I think I'll agree with Ma'a & Conrad and stick with Havili & Reiko for Pumas 1& 2 and hope they develop. As @pakman mentioned, ALB is probably back for the EOYT and while I think he's a world class centre, his versatility might count against hims for a starting slot if the DH/RI combo grows.
Foster has a tricky job balancing those three while at the same time giving QT & RTS game time.
And that Charles Ngatai bloke was a real loss..
