All Blacks 2022
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
Time is against us.
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
EOYT we may have ALB back, so could try him at 12 and Rieko/Goodhue at 13.
Also Tupaea/ALB and Tupaea/Goodhue.
Not enough games?!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
Probably a complete pipe dream but IMHO the best combo is JB and Goodhue. I would love to see a backline of Smith, BB/RM, JB, Goodhue, Reiko, Clark, Jordan. That would be pretty. In terms of 10, I heart BB, but I heart the Allblacks more. I'd like to see both the 10s play under the "new regime" of a forward pack actually establishing go-forward before passing judgement.
In the forwards, I think we need at least 2 big munters starting in the back row. Ardie and Cane starting isn't optimal and one has to be benched. Nothing new there I guess.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Fullback in the midfield at RWC, what could go wrong?
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
OK, now the drama is out of the way and we have some certainty, what should we be looking for going forward from the team and coaches?
To kick off and not being too technical, I'd like to see the handling improvements maintained, exits from the 22 to be way, way better, the RM/DH/RI axis grow and a touch better positioning from the wingers.
In the forwards, think we have yet to get 6 sorted but it's getting better (never thought SF could play that well at Test level), Cane to play the full 80 as well as he does 60, and a backup to Ardie at 8 to be bedded in.
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Fullback in the midfield at RWC, what could go wrong?
I would argue that we have a midfielder playing 15.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What’s George Moala up to ?
Frizell and Reece got selected so no reason he can’t as well.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
ill save some heartarch ALB has to be in one of the starting poistions . so who the parnter him?
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What those analysis videos highlight (whether correct in detail or not) is that there is far more to the midfield functioning well than we see on a surface level. It's not 'moves' as such but more a pattern that requires sometimes perfect positioning .
It's what we see in teams like Ireland and why players we consider as limited (e.g. Bundee Aki) can look so good.
In searching for the right players for the 12/13 jerseys in the ABs, whether through injury, availability or just plain searching we didn't allow those patterns to be fully understood and implemented until they became second nature. It is partly a combination thing but more a key piece to an overall pattern. If you are slightly forward you rush the pass, slightly back there is no opportunity. That's the kind of margins they play with at these levels.
As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo. ALB can come back as bench/cover because he is a smart enough player to be proficient in shooting in within the pattern. Maybe Goodhue the same. Tupaea was being used in that role because the others weren't there to shadow at training, hence him slotting in at 13.
I don't think Jordie has the brains to play that way. He, like BB, does his best work instinctively. -
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What those analysis videos highlight (whether correct in detail or not) is that there is far more to the midfield functioning well than we see on a surface level. It's not 'moves' as such but more a pattern that requires sometimes perfect positioning .
It's what we see in teams like Ireland and why players we consider as limited (e.g. Bundee Aki) can look so good.
In searching for the right players for the 12/13 jerseys in the ABs, whether through injury, availability or just plain searching we didn't allow those patterns to be fully understood and implemented until they became second nature. It is partly a combination thing but more a key piece to an overall pattern. If you are slightly forward you rush the pass, slightly back there is no opportunity. That's the kind of margins they play with at these levels.
As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo. ALB can come back as bench/cover because he is a smart enough player to be proficient in shooting in within the pattern. Maybe Goodhue the same. Tupaea was being used in that role because the others weren't there to shadow at training, hence him slotting in at 13.
I don't think Jordie has the brains to play that way. He, like BB, does his best work instinctively.interesting argement.
discuss the nouses of midfield play and reading it but put the best and most experenced player on the bench ,but want a full back/ winger compo there instead -
So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
I think I'll agree with Ma'a & Conrad and stick with Havili & Reiko for Pumas 1& 2 and hope they develop. As @pakman mentioned, ALB is probably back for the EOYT and while I think he's a world class centre, his versatility might count against hims for a starting slot if the DH/RI combo grows.
Foster has a tricky job balancing those three while at the same time giving QT & RTS game time.
And that Charles Ngatai bloke was a real loss..
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What’s George Moala up to ?
Frizell and Reece got selected so no reason he can’t as well.
Hell if you worried about Reece and Frizell you must of been spewing when Eric Rush as captaing our 7s!!!
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
this thread says there are loads more posts since I last logged in, but when I scan over them, it doesnt look like any new ones....
and it's taken 3k posts for you to realise this?
For all we get same ol same ol, this is still my preferred rugby forum. We may or may not agree on plenty but generally find it one of better ones I have been part of.
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So midfield is a real concern.
We need to try Havili/Goodhue.
No No we need ALB back with Rieko
No with Goodhue
Let's try Tupaea/ALB or Tupaea/Goodhue
Nah Jordie /Goodhue is the answer
Shit this coaching lark is tougker than I thought ....
What’s George Moala up to ?
Frizell and Reece got selected so no reason he can’t as well.
Hell if you worried about Reece and Frizell you must of been spewing when Eric Rush as captaing our 7s!!!
You’ve lost me
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As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo.
The one aspect I think sets Havili apart is his distribution ability. Much like Nonu, he's basically got the skills in that regard to put people into space excellently, like a very good 10. He just lacks the rest of the package unfortunately - but I really do think with experience he will certainly be able to bring that skill set to the fore (which will be very valuable), while "bolstering" his other talents to an adequate level.
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
It already has!
That's what you think...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
It already has!
That's what you think...
Now I'm depressed
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
I do not believe we can win the RWC with that midfield.
Well, not if it doesn't grow or get better - which is why I brought it up as an area for improvement. So what would we like to see Foster and co do to improve things?
Probably a complete pipe dream but IMHO the best combo is JB and Goodhue. I would love to see a backline of Smith, BB/RM, JB, Goodhue, Reiko, Clark, Jordan. That would be pretty. In terms of 10, I heart BB, but I heart the Allblacks more. I'd like to see both the 10s play under the "new regime" of a forward pack actually establishing go-forward before passing judgement.
In the forwards, I think we need at least 2 big munters starting in the back row. Ardie and Cane starting isn't optimal and one has to be benched. Nothing new there I guess.
Yeah the JB as a 12 can be put to bed at least for this RWC cycle. For this cycle, I think they will rotate between two combos: the current DH/RI combo and the safe and experienced ALB/JG combo as the alternative on a horses for courses basis
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experienced ALB/JG comb
not sure there is a more overrated player on this forum than Jack Goodhue. He's played 19 tests and he's "experienced" now.
He hasn't played a test in coming up two years but should be the starting centre.
He's so big and powerful, yet is only 6'2 and 100 kegs
The wider social media universe is way worse for it, but to read some posts you would think we have prime Frank Bunce jut wasting away in the squad
