All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row that trained together
And an all Crusaders front five at that stage, which does seem to make some sense.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
A lot of the pride in the AB jersey comes from our amazing records we held over other countries. Never losing to Ireland, rarely losing at home, never dropping games to teams ranked 9th in the world.
I think we could all understand losing to Ireland in their back yard given they are actually a very good team now, but the lost series at home, the losses to Argentina even at home, losing 3 on the trot in our own back yard for the first time ever, that stuff really damages the pride people had in the ABs, not to mention the damage it has done to the brand. I don't feel the same way about them anymore and I don't think I ever will again, as those records are gone now. I more look at them as just another team now, similar to the Black Caps - a very good team that can beat anyone on their day, but not the greatest professional sports team in the world.
For me, that's Foster's legacy. Losing records we held for over 100 years. Even if we do climb back to #1 post Foster, it won't be the same.
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i'd love to know how much throwing practice some of these hookers do, its a core skill, little excuse to not be able to do it
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@Kiwiwomble you'd think they, like kickers spend time kicking, hookers just throw to a target, I am sure they must also have some specific kit and drills for it too
When TR Jnr was playing hooker in U14s, we'd have a target atop a broom handle and we'd spend time at home with him throwing to it at various points in the lineout, practicing flat throws to the front, middle, back, lobs, overthrows etc...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
i'd love to know how much throwing practice some of these hookers do, its a core skill, little excuse to not be able to do it
Probably heaps. Difficult part is practicing throws when under pressure against an opposition that you can't predict and with a pack that doesn't execute what they call.
Most of them can do the standard old hit the dot on the crossbar drills.
Not straights are more often a results of trying to adjust from what you have practicised I would say. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kiwiwomble you'd think they, like kickers spend time kicking, hookers just throw to a target, I am sure they must also have some specific kit for it too
When TR Jnr was playing hooker in U14s, we'd have a target atop a broom handle and we'd spend time at home with him throwing to it at various points in the lineout, practicing flat throws to the front, middle, back, lobs, overthrows etc...
yeah, there are special bit of kit, effectively a fishing net, we have them down the club
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
i'd love to know how much throwing practice some of these hookers do, its a core skill, little excuse to not be able to do it
Probably heaps. Difficult part is practicing throws when under pressure against an opposition that you can't predict and with a pack that doesn't execute what they call.
Most of them can do the standard old hit the dot on the crossbar drills.
Not straights are more often a results of trying to adjust from what you have practicised I would say.even at club rugby we training 1's v 2's so you're jumping against an opposition, obviously test match footy is several levels higher but the principle of jumping against someone trying to pinch it is still there, i think the fact ST seemed to have much less of a problem than taylor shows it is possible to handle
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They should replace Jeff Wilson with Maa' Nonu.
Jeff Wilson seems rather concerned with being positive or is just plain deluded.
Sounds like an empty headed comments man.He carries on like he is the host of the show too (which I know he has done from time to time).
Kirstie will ask him a question. He will faff around the company line and then he will ask the questions to the other two.
He comes across as a bloke with his head up his own arse.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
You are the head coach ffs, own that mistake and don't publicly out your assistants. He's definitely feeling the heat.
Although it was likely Ryan who suggested it. It's a tough one but a better head coach would overrule his assistant when a stupid decision like this is made. Agree to replace the props but not the hooker just yet
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Kirstie will ask him a question. He will faff around the company line and then he will ask the questions to the other two.
And in that engagement as soon as she handed over, they basically ignored her for the next 10 minutes.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
even at club rugby we training 1's v 2's so you're jumping against an opposition, obviously test match footy is several levels higher but the principle of jumping against someone trying to pinch it is still there, i think the fact ST seemed to have much less of a problem than taylor shows it is possible to handle
And you need to do it under fatigue as well. I'm a fucking superstar at hitting the target if I don't have 20 minutes of rucks and running in the way
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Jeff Wilson seems rather concerned with being positive or is just plain deluded.
I remember Matt Burke calling games for Channel Ten here in Oz - his solution was always to use the backline more. No matter the forwards were getting pumped.
Similar vein.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
even at club rugby we training 1's v 2's so you're jumping against an opposition, obviously test match footy is several levels higher but the principle of jumping against someone trying to pinch it is still there, i think the fact ST seemed to have much less of a problem than taylor shows it is possible to handle
And you need to do it under fatigue as well. I'm a fucking superstar at hitting the target if I don't have 20 minutes of rucks and running in the way
thats why lineout and scrum training is always at the end of training
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
Did they replay it? I was too busy shouting at the useless fuck and making a fridge visit
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
You are the head coach ffs, own that mistake and don't publicly out your assistants. He's definitely feeling the heat.
Although it was likely Ryan who suggested it. It's a tough one but a better head coach would overrule his assistant when a stupid decision like this is made. Agree to replace the props but not the hooker just yet
Pretty concerning that Ryan appears to have a blind spot for Taylor as well. Seriously, replacing Samisoni with Taylor is like replacing Lomu with Bridge. They are so far apart it's not even funny, with the scoreboard close subbing our best player was one of the crazier substitutions I've ever seen.
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On the Subs, if you’ve got guys like Va’ai and Perofeta sitting on the bench and aren’t prepared to bring them on after 60 mins in a tight game then they shouldn’t be on the bench.
If you want your experience at the business end. Start those 2 and bring on others.
