Bledisloe 2
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
Jordie’s only keeping the seat warm until Fozzie and co realise that Ardie is the answer at 2nd 5.
Jerry Collins played 12 for his club side.
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What a pleasure and a surprise it was to watch JB at 12. Have missed the bulk and the security of a big boot there. Every time he touched the ball he made meters. Not afraid to cart it up either. With Whitelock and BBBR rolling back the clock also. The tight five got through a shedload of work and mowed over their counterparts. Very satisfying. Now keep JB at 12 please.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Dan54 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
Foster said they've been working on JB to 12 in behind the scenes 🤣
Oh Foster you really are a muppet.
Whats wrong with saying they been working a while? Genuine question.
Do you believe its true? If Havili was cleared to play would JB have started at 12? Foster has never even moved JB to 12 during a match let alone started him there
He only said they been working behind the scenes, when JB moved to 12 last week things looked ok, so wouldn't be surprised if they had dome a little.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe 2:
We look terrible when we're indecisive.
That's the kind of insight we expect on this site.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
@booboo white was having one of his little whines, De Groot simulated wiping away tears to him...I thought it was funny.
Much appreciated at the ground. Foley got a fair bit of time wasting stick, it was good. 2 tackles made, 5 misses.
Jordie, as most have mentioned, had done two tests now at 12, and is our obvious option going forward. The question is, will foster see that or stick to his guns, cos he's a stubborn fluffybunny.
How often is someone in the midfield by far away the highest defenders beaten (7 every other player was 0,1,2)? I suppose running at Foley helped 🤣
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
The fact Foster bluntly said about three weeks ago that he saw Barrett as a fullback when questioned on Jordie moving into 12 suggests that he’s never really seen him as a midfielder. I call bullshit on the fact he’s had any sort of plan moving Jordie to 12, it’s more sheer luck for us fans that the two players he preferred in that position got injured and it forced his hand.
Who has claimed a plan?
Like some other players that have taken chances, that chance only came by luck.
I never saw JB play like that at 12 until tonight and I am glad he did so.
Just because some have been wanting him to get that chance doesn’t mean that they are smarter than the selectors.
Don’t forget that last week there was no hesitation putting him in there after the injuries when they could just as easily gone for a RM/BB combo and that they backed him based on that performance even though it didn’t set the world on fire.You've obviously not watched the canes this year, in a dysfunctional team, jordie was great at 12
Not correct. I actually went to games he played at 12 to watch for myself. Watched both end on and side on.
Great is not how I would describe it. If I could be bothered finding the thread I think it was more like unsure and indecisive at times and that he looked like a fullback slotted in at 12.
That was all understandable given his lack of play in the position. Yes, he got better but his play still didn’t scream “pick me” so I can understand how he wasn’t a first option there for the ABs when he was our best back last year while playing 15.
If you can show me a game at a decent level where he played 12 as well as he did last night then I am happy to concede the point.
Last night was very good but I also want to see if a backline of 5 outside backs works against better sides as well.
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@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 2:
Finally, almost a complete performance. Complete dominance of the Wallabies.
Wallabies will be very unhappy, nothing went right, discipline, poor skills, just wilted under the AB pressure.
Jordie was excellent at 12, great impersonation of Ngani Laumape running over players while kicking and distributing really well. Mo’unga in his post-match interview said he was giving him some great guidance on plays etc. Foster will probably put him on the wing now.
Puzzling that RTS only got 10mins?
Codie Taylor again struggled with his line out
throwing. He was average in an outstanding team. Leave him at home for the EOYT and take Aumua. Foster will probably make him Capt.Actually I thought Taylor was pretty good tonight, and I say that as someone who had written him off as past it. His throwing wasn’t consistently good but he can work on that so long as his head is in the right space, and he seemed a lot more focussed. Early days but I wouldn’t moan if they took him on the EOYT.
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@Paekakboyz said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim I'm wondering if he's put a bit more bulk on after his time away. He's always been a bit heavier than Whitelock but seemed leaner when he first got back from his stint in Japan. I'm stoked he's getting into some form, he's only 31 and even with the demands of the modern game that's middle aged for a tight forward.
The bulk thing is/was well known and commented on. He had to shed kegs to play in Japan but was then expected to put them back on while playing which is what took so long. He wasn’t always being selected because he was the best but because their was faith that he’d grow back to the previous levels of awesomeness while still being equal to other options.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:
@Canes4life said in Bledisloe 2:
The fact Foster bluntly said about three weeks ago that he saw Barrett as a fullback when questioned on Jordie moving into 12 suggests that he’s never really seen him as a midfielder. I call bullshit on the fact he’s had any sort of plan moving Jordie to 12, it’s more sheer luck for us fans that the two players he preferred in that position got injured and it forced his hand.
Who has claimed a plan?
Like some other players that have taken chances, that chance only came by luck.
I never saw JB play like that at 12 until tonight and I am glad he did so.
Just because some have been wanting him to get that chance doesn’t mean that they are smarter than the selectors.
Don’t forget that last week there was no hesitation putting him in there after the injuries when they could just as easily gone for a RM/BB combo and that they backed him based on that performance even though it didn’t set the world on fire.You've obviously not watched the canes this year, in a dysfunctional team, jordie was great at 12
Not correct. I actually went to games he played at 12 to watch for myself. Watched both end on and side on.
Great is not how I would describe it. If I could be bothered finding the thread I think it was more like unsure and indecisive at times and that he looked like a fullback slotted in at 12.
That was all understandable given his lack of play in the position. Yes, he got better but his play still didn’t scream “pick me” so I can understand how he wasn’t a first option there for the ABs when he was our best back last year while playing 15.
If you can show me a game at a decent level where he played 12 as well as he did last night then I am happy to concede the point.
Last night was very good but I also want to see if a backline of 5 outside backs works against better sides as well.
Does it look like our best option for the RWC? Yep. Much better than anything else we have.Agree. I was happy to see him move back to FB. But overall this year he wasn't as good this year either at FB or 2nd 5. He was great during super rugby at FB last year but slipped a bit this year. Still quality though
I hope he sticks with the Canes though. We need to keep our only AB back. Let him focus on 2nd 5 outside (maybe) Morgan. Hes developing into a quality 1st 5
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That tip on Dalton, very much like 2005. Two guys lift, one lets go, it turns to custard.
I wonder what he did to deserve this pre-planned coordinated, off the ball assault? Musta picked some grass or something?
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
Definitely deserve another game together
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@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 2:
Akira Ioane: Didn’t do much to solve any No 6 questions. Aside from a ripped ball near his own line, nothing much to catch the eye apart from showing his skills with a deft left-foot kick and speedy chase. Replaced in the 70th minute. 5.5
If you're relying on Stuff then just give up. He was good in all aspects, but especially defence. His maul defence is excellent. ABs did not give away a single point while he was on the field.
I did not see it that way, and no not relying on stuff just pointing out other people and people on the fern as well didn't rate Akira's game,And I have been supportive of him before but he was not good IMO last night.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:
To hell with the doom and gloomers, I fucking love that backline, have wanted to see it for ages. Smith's lightning pass to set them away, Mo'unga's vision on attack who is finding his feet at this level, Jordie a big bopper at 12 who will hit hard on defense, bend the line and has the bonus of a massive boot, Rieko the most lethal player on the planet right now, the closest thing we've had to Cullen on the right wing, world POTY at the back with a license to roam and inject himself in his usual opportunistic way, and an absolute powerhouse on the left wing that is making a habit of knocking those who try to tackle him the fuck out.
If they click they will be fucking unstoppable.
This backline went OK eh? Imagine how they'd go with more gametime together...
I’m more intrigued on how they will go against better sides. That was effectively two inside backs and 5 outside ones last night and in a way was what Eddie Jones has been trying to create with England. A multi tasking backline without positions. “Midfielders” that can take on the outsides and outsides that can roam freely into the middle knowing they haven’t left a hole. Hence my mid game comments about whether Jordie really was playing 12 or playing mix and match.
Whether this has been stumbled on by luck is irrelevant. Whether it works well against teams ranked higher than 9 is the question.
I think it could. Unfortunately we may have stumbled on it a touch early and dampened the powder as other team analysts will collect plenty of data before the RWC.
I hope that SA are less of an issue now. I can’t see them adjusting much and France will still be a problem based on their own current game. The likes of Ireland and England may have savvy enough coaches to frustrate us and take away our opportunities to the extent that we revert to being headless chooks.
