Jacinda resigned
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@MajorRage can't say I've noticed a heck of a lot of the below - she's a media darling over here as far as I see it.
it is also bemusing the extent to which she has become a source of vitriolically negative projection from overseas. She is not only the subject of equine-themed personal insults, but is seen as a villain of government imposition and mandates, with many foreign observers seeming to have willed into reality a massive public backlash against her, a nation languishing as cattle under the dictates of government commissars.
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@Bones said in Jacinda resigned:
@MajorRage can't say I've noticed a heck of a lot of the below - she's a media darling over here as far as I see it.
it is also bemusing the extent to which she has become a source of vitriolically negative projection from overseas. She is not only the subject of equine-themed personal insults, but is seen as a villain of government imposition and mandates, with many foreign observers seeming to have willed into reality a massive public backlash against her, a nation languishing as cattle under the dictates of government commissars.
Mainly right wing US stuff. Fox / Tucker have been destroying her.
Times / Telegraph over here been quite critical, Spectator (irony, much) been extremely critical.
Guardian / BBC have been dead quiet.
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I haven't been a huge critic of Arden. Great communicator to press but not sure how well she managed her team-her govt. doesn't seem very talented to me. Not sure the opposition is much better. Not convinced politicians of either stripe over the last 15-20 years have been able or willing to address the escalating gap between income and cost of living.
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I haven't been a huge critic of Arden. Great communicator to press but not sure how well she managed her team-her govt. doesn't seem very talented to me. Not sure the opposition is much better. Not convinced politicians of either stripe over the last 15-20 years have been able or willing to address the escalating gap between income and cost of living.
I think Bill English was going to try. But thanks to Winny and the people who flocked to vote for Jacinda we will never know. It still beggars belief that such an inexperienced MP leading a tiny caucus managed to win that election
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Hi Nevorian.
Thanks for the question. I'll do my best to sum up why I feel this way.
Not many countries handled it well , but Sweden would be my initial thought. It was the most adult, pragmatic response to a shit situation that comes to mind.
My problem with Ardern, Macron, Trudeau, Morrison and Andrews et al was the glee with which they espoused their two tier societies. There was no compassion whatsoever. Nor has it been proven to have had much merit either at the time or retrospectively.
From the treatment of Djokovic as a political punch bag, to freezing protestors bank accounts in Canada (with Trudeau then batting for Chinese protestors) to the smarminess with which this question was answered from Jacinda:A smug holier than thou self righteousness ill-befitting of someone supposed to "lead". You can actually see her disdain for the question and questioner before she answers. Her body language is arrogant, unparliamentary and dismissive.
As I alluded to in another thread we had a suicide in our family (in Ireland) during the pandemic. The lockdowns and covid policy of the nature Jacinda employed with particular gusto contributed to my relatives sad end. To compound this we could not attend the funeral or give the deceased a proper send off due to the draconian covid restrictions. It took two years until the coroners hearing took place and on the last page of the report where they confirm death by hanging, they also have a covid test result. THEY TESTED A SUICIDE VICTIM FOR COVID. Just so they could add him to the figures if positive (he wasnt). Screenshot available on request.
Now the reason for my geographical digression, is to highlight that on a personal level the way global leaders conducted themselves caused an inordinate amount of mental hurt and anguish. Even to people who don't even live in their respective countries. The aforementioned politicians actually revelled in it. Jacinda was well aware of her darling status (talk of a Nobel prize bandied about) and she took the covid ball and ran with it.
It was to be how her tenure would be measured (in her mind).
How blessed was she that NZ is an island in the arsehole of nowhere and not a landlocked European country which would have been riddled with the virus at a much earlier juncture. Her initial success was by luck rather than design.Thats why things like the Djokovic issue, or Trudeaus treatment of Canadians were lightening rods for the disaffected world wide. They "othered" a section of society.
Thats an odious stance in and of itself but particularly galling from hypocritical leaders who are quick to throw on a Muslim head dress in an act of faux solidarity. They treated the unvaxed as sub human and used it to score points with a compliant and ill-informed mob.I know this isn't how statistics work, but personally I still know not a single person who died from this virus.
Putting covid aside and its a hell of an issue to have to put aside, I'll elaborate on my ire for the likes of Ardern.
In 2016, Facebook (shortly followed by the other socials) changed their algorithm so the time line was not strictly a timeline any more. They showed you what they think you wanted to see as opposed to a true chronological reflection of what was taking place. The echo chamber-ification of modern discourse was in full swing. Cambridge Analytica, Trump, The Kurdish boy face down on the beach (they moved his body for a better photo). The internet changed around this time and it became the era of polarisation and polemics. Each take needing to be hotter than the last hot take.
I recommend these two books on what happened to the internet circa 2016 onwards:
"The Disconnect" by Roisin Kiberd.
And "Kill All Normies" by Angela Nagle
The standard of politician took a nose dive in the years that followed the algorithmic shift and social medias influence cannot be overlooked......
Trump and Ardern are two cheeks at opposite ends of the same arse. Style over substance. Empty suits. And its an arse that needs a damn good smacking.
Jacinda was a master at empty gesture politics playing to a global gallery of lefty acolytes. From cycling to give birth, to the wearing of the Muslim attire post Christchurch shooting. All fur coat and no knickers. Akin to Trudeau or Leo Varadkar in Ireland , they look at themselves as celebrities who's art is politics. Young heads of government with no meaningful execution in improving their societies...you know like improving hospital waiting lists, building houses, roads etc. They enjoy the trappings of a west wing lifestyle without empathising with their citizens (particularly the working class).
Jacinda and Justin seemed to have particularly gone off the deep end though in the pursuit of their utopias. From the freezing of bank accounts to the "you only get the truth from the government" nonsense.
Now before those in the cheap seats start calling me a racist or a right wing nut let me put my cards on the table.
Im pro choice.....and by extension pro bodily autonomy (be it baby or jab).
Pro legalisation of Marijuana
Pro gay marriage
Tell me your pronoun and ill do my best not to forget to use it.
If my chid brings home a gay/trans friend or partner, come dine with us.
Unsure about same sex couples adopting children.
Hard on crime. You come to burgle my house , I should be allowed blow your head off.
Tough on immigration. Take a look at Ireland currently or any European train station as a barometer. Malevolent hellscapes at night, full of gangs "not of this parish".
The hoops I had to go through to as a masters qualified engineer with proof of funds to get into some countries was ridiculous. But if you come undocumented without two pennies to rub together its open season...a conversation for another dayArdern for me is the epitome of the modern day politician. They just want to be seen as "right on". They are looking for UN jobs and accolades, ghost writing their own Netflix doc and wiki page as they go. They don't seem to realise you have to govern those that didn't vote for you also. For them and their followers its about winning only, and kicking sand into the eyes of those who "lost".
Gone are the days of the stately pragmatist who gets things done.
What we are left with is vacuous grandstanders and Tik Tok governance from Jacinda and her ilk.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out love.
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@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Trump and Ardern are two cheeks at opposite ends of the same arse. Style over substance. Empty suits. And its an arse that needs a damn good smacking.
Jacinda was a master at empty gesture politics playing to a global gallery of lefty acolytes. From cycling to give birth, to the wearing of the Muslim attire post Christchurch shooting. All fur coat and no knickers. Akin to Trudeau or Leo Varadkar in Ireland , they look at themselves as celebrities who's art is politics. Young heads of government with no meaningful execution in improving their societies...you know like improving hospital waiting lists, building houses, roads etc. They enjoy the trappings of a west wing lifestyle without empathising with their citizens (particularly the working class).
One of the more elegant and succinct summaries of what's wrong with today's leaders and the systems that govern us.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Jacinda resigned:
@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Trump and Ardern are two cheeks at opposite ends of the same arse. Style over substance. Empty suits. And its an arse that needs a damn good smacking.
Jacinda was a master at empty gesture politics playing to a global gallery of lefty acolytes. From cycling to give birth, to the wearing of the Muslim attire post Christchurch shooting. All fur coat and no knickers. Akin to Trudeau or Leo Varadkar in Ireland , they look at themselves as celebrities who's art is politics. Young heads of government with no meaningful execution in improving their societies...you know like improving hospital waiting lists, building houses, roads etc. They enjoy the trappings of a west wing lifestyle without empathising with their citizens (particularly the working class).
One of the more elegant and succinct summaries of what's wrong with today's leaders and the systems that govern us.
This is it Victor...
The internet culture war (which probably peaked around 2017) definitely created the perfect storm for her tenure, and massively increased the amount of international exposure she received. Depending on who you talked to she was either the greatest head of state in the world or an authoritarian dictator who stripped the liberties of her people entirely.
Only reason she got such a platform was because her entire public personality was the complete opposite to the likes of Trump who was elected at the same time. That's basically it. Nothing to do with policy, nothing to do with any sort of geopolitical importance. Its because she was a young lady with a smiley neo liberal manifesto. Total cult of personality to counteract another personality cult.
She went much further than terrorism in her dislike for speech she didn't like. She was another clown that declared everything that was critical of her view on how society (esp western society) ran was "far right".
Her speech to the UN was chilling last year. "Governments should control the flow of info" Dangerous woman, like Trudeau in Canada...the leaders we were told to admire and respect turned out to be something altogether different.
Her glee of approval (if you watch the video) over NZ becoming a 2 tier society for vaxx'd and unvaxx'd showed her true colours - a horrible person. Globally she is an extremely divisive politician, popular only with people have no respect and no consideration for anyone coming from a different perspective.You can bet your house that if the next New Zealand prime minister is going to be some guy who was born in the 60's, you won't hear anything about him or New Zealand, just like you never heard anything about John Key before her.
She is getting a good send off from all the usual virtuous ladder climbers on twitter, most of whom know nothing of New Zealand or how things are the on the ground at local level.
Tweeting support for her is akin to donning a rainbow badge on your shirt. Conceited, low rent virtue signalling at its most pretentious.
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@Steve Unfortunately , although it's good you got opinions that we all should in a democracy, you kind of got a little confused. You say that some may call you a right wing nut job (not sure why they would, just right wing would not call you a nut job) ,you then give list that reads like a pretty right wing person trying their hardest to pretend not to be.
And it's a little hard to take too seriously someone saying she's only here because of social media etc on internet?
You definitely right about the days of the pragamist who just ploughed on and did what suited them and mates, but unfortunately (or fortunately whichever) that happened in NZ the day we changed to MMP (which I didn't like,but accepted that majority did).
Same as contolling media etc, if you don't think that was always done by Pollies, you perhaps need to look back at how much was ever released to news etc, has always been the case I'm afraid, and don't perhaps really look at our history.
Mate the minute you have press on your side or publicity offices , they are for one reason, to control the flow of info, for many years TV and radio in NZ were really just govt mouthpieces. I had no problem, it was a fact and generally I liked to form own opinions anyway -
this oughta start some shit!
Lets ignore the best candidate, and why stop at Maori, why not make it a gay trans Maori-Chinese-Samoan-Tongan non binary vegan?
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@taniwharugby said in Jacinda resigned:
this oughta start some shit!
Lets ignore the best candidate, and why stop at Maori, why not make it a gay trans Maori-Chinese-Samoan-Tongan non binary vegan?
You forgot disabled, you bigot.
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@Kirwan said in Jacinda resigned:
@taniwharugby said in Jacinda resigned:
this oughta start some shit!
Lets ignore the best candidate, and why stop at Maori, why not make it a gay trans Maori-Chinese-Samoan-Tongan non binary vegan?
You forgot disabled, you bigot.
……….and being a clinically obese dwarf wouldn’t go amiss either
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@Dan54 said in Jacinda resigned:
@Steve Unfortunately , although it's good you got opinions that we all should in a democracy, you kind of got a little confused. You say that some may call you a right wing nut job (not sure why they would, just right wing would not call you a nut job) ,you then give list that reads like a pretty right wing person trying their hardest to pretend not to be.
And it's a little hard to take too seriously someone saying she's only here because of social media etc on internet?
You definitely right about the days of the pragamist who just ploughed on and did what suited them and mates, but unfortunately (or fortunately whichever) that happened in NZ the day we changed to MMP (which I didn't like,but accepted that majority did).
Same as contolling media etc, if you don't think that was always done by Pollies, you perhaps need to look back at how much was ever released to news etc, has always been the case I'm afraid, and don't perhaps really look at our history.
Mate the minute you have press on your side or publicity offices , they are for one reason, to control the flow of info, for many years TV and radio in NZ were really just govt mouthpieces. I had no problem, it was a fact and generally I liked to form own opinions anywayI really want to make sure I land this point with you.
Im not right wing. Im quite apolitical in fact. I really don't have any political persuasion one way or another nor do I vote the same partisan way as a policy. To be honest up until about 2016/2017 I really didn't care. Im 40 next year.
I spend so much of my time on the road with work that I routinely miss elections. Im essentially a digital nomad at this stage.
I never said Arderns only here because of the internet. There is far more nuance to what I said. Your assertion is incorrect.
Im probably of a libertarian persuasion. I really don't care what anyone else does with their life once it doesn't effect me. I don't care about others sexual proclivities, drug use etc. Just leave me and my children alone.
What does annoy me, is nanny state-ism and politicians pissing down my neck and telling me its raining.
Telling me I can't go 2km from my house , while they quaff champers at the g8 summit in Cornwall unmasked.
Watching them freezing protestors bank accounts and then lamenting Xi Xing Pings treatment of Chinese protestors for cheap applause.
Arresting people in their own homes for arranging protests in Australia on Facebook.
Lines were crossed in the western world over the last 3 years and the authoritarian creep displayed by the likes of Jacinda was fucking despicable.
Today my diatribe is directed at Ardern but I will be reserving the same invective for Macron, Trudeau, Morrison, Andrews et al as and when their time comes.
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@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
@Kirwan said in Jacinda resigned:
@taniwharugby said in Jacinda resigned:
this oughta start some shit!
Lets ignore the best candidate, and why stop at Maori, why not make it a gay trans Maori-Chinese-Samoan-Tongan non binary vegan?
You forgot disabled, you bigot.
……….and being a clinically obese dwarf wouldn’t go amiss either
Islamaphobes
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@Steve Understand you saying that, just come across as perhaps right wing in that post,trying hard to be liberal, I take your word for it that you're not, and to be honest mate doesn't worry me anyway. So wasn't trying to criticise you, but as you say about nanny state-ism pisses me off too. Perhaps so does faux liberalism ,
As in all things mate the easiest thing to do is I find it easier to vent on the net (and thats good) than actually try and change things by getting involved huh and changing things!
And that not a dig at you in anyway, but I find if I was genuinely pissed enough (and probaly just didn't let the world go by) I would actually join/attend a political party or rally to make a change, otherwise I just someone who shouts at wind because it got the cheek to blow! -
Just a note on Steve's posts - it was Julie Anne Genter who cycled herself to the hospital to give birth, not Jacinda Ardern.
I'm shedding no tears over Ardern's departure. But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding, so I shall save my wider thoughts for another day.
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@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding
not quite a humble brag, but maybe a subtle brag?
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@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
Just a note on Steve's posts - it was Julie Anne Genter who cycled herself to the hospital to give birth, not Jacinda Ardern.
I'm shedding no tears over Ardern's departure. But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding, so I shall save my wider thoughts for another day.
Apologies, im bang to rights there. Ive mixed her up with Julia Anne in that regard.
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Looking from the outside, I thought Ardern was an interesting case in that she seemed led by compassion ahead of pragmatism. There's a lot of international political goodwill that New Zealand probably gained from that, over and above all the cynicism as to whether it was just a ploy.
Both sides of politics are essentially self-serving arsehats who would step over their own mothers to retain power. And, given you're never going to please everyone, you might as well just do what you can to serve the goals you set.
I find Steve's points on the COVID situation relevant in terms of lockdowns (having been in one of the more affected Sydney areas), but at the same time, the popularity of Ardern and Andrews didn't seem to wane at all.
Morrison's did, but that's less about COVID and more to do with the fact even some Lib voters were sick of his pack of clowns and their laundry list of shithousery.
EDIT: and incumbency has a limited lifespan at Federal level