Harvey Weinstein
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@canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial Its really easy to talk tough and tell victims what to do. But how can any of us know what that's like?
Depends on the offense. If we're talking about being groped, then I know what that's like. You only have to go to a club to experience that - it's hardly a harrowing experience. But I am a guy so maybe my perspective is different, or in a feminists eyes completely irrelevant.
Talking to my wife she has been groped and harassed in clubs more times then she can remember. Her opinion is that the adult women that had this happen to them in the 'workplace' should have called it out at the time if they really cared that much. But they cared more about becoming rich A-list celebrities so put up with it. She also thinks there is a bunch of attention seekers trying to jump on the victimhood bandwagon, and that there is a bunch of feminists using this to further their "rape culture, all men are predators" narrative they love so much.
If we're talking about actual rape then that is a different kettle of fish, and I would never presume to know how that would impact someone. But the majority of these claims are "he tried it on and I rejected him" or "he touched me inappropriately". That stuff is not difficult to call out, even if you are unlikely to be able to prosecute him in court, but it will likely be career limiting in a place like Hollywood.
As @JC says, my primary concern isn't so much with adult women rejecting advances from creeps, but with the children that are being abused and exploited. That's seriously deranged stuff, and the stories I am hearing is that often the child's parents are well aware of what is going on. Utterly sick, and needs to be rooted out ASAP. And that's not just limited to Hollywood, though it appears to be prevalent there, but the pedophile rings worldwide are utterly disgusting.
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@Tim Ahhh my eyes, why would you post that!!
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@no-quarter My comments mainly regarded more serious crimes. JC's comments about the machine I totally agree with. Weinstein is bad but he is also a product of the system that enabled him by looking the other way or tried to protect him
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@no-quarter TBF, being groped as you walk around a club is a long way from being invited into a room alone and then groped and/or propositioned.
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@taniwharugby By your prospective boss/agent
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@canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:
@taniwharugby By your prospective boss/agent
who controls the industry and selects which scripts and which people succeed, and can destroy your career if they don't like you
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@nzzp said in Harvey Weinstein:
@canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:
@taniwharugby By your prospective boss/agent
who controls the industry and selects which scripts and which people succeed, and can destroy your career if they don't like you
and is wearing a dressing gown.
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I wonder if any Ferners currently or have worked for or alongside that was ‘dodgy’
Someone who had a reputation of being a HW, made women uncomfortable or even harassed. Maybe took it too far on at least one occasion.
Imagine your on a good wicket, great income and career prospects, you have a family to support mortgage to pay.
Do you rock the boat and speak out or do you keep your head down and mind your own business? Knowing if you make something of it then in all likelyhood you could be forced to lose your job. -
I've already alluded to this, but I've worked with a number of guys who were proper creeps. And, I didn't do shit. Mostly, that's because in order for me to get my contract renewed, I needed their support (in two cases, they were my direct boss), or they were clients and I'd justify it by saying it's none of my business.
For that reason, I've suggested it's much easier to comment on the situations of others than it is to speak up.
I should add that I now work for a great place - but even here, we seem to have resistance to hiring women, because babies.
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That's a fair point. For me, it would depend on how many 10s of millions of dollars I have in my account, and how much public virtue signalling I do to build my image.
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@canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial Its really easy to talk tough and tell victims what to do. But how can any of us know what that's like?
Yes, this is a fair comment.
Regardless of all this though, many a-listers used Weinstein to get where they are. And they put up with whatever crap he dealt out. And now they are coming down hard against him.
As my new "man of the year", Piers Morgan, wrote: It's laughable how many of the same people who gave child rapist Polanski a standing ovation at the oscars, are now speaking out hard against Weinstein.
Hollywood values really are FUBAR.
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@majorrage said in Harvey Weinstein:
@canefan said in Harvey Weinstein:
@crucial Its really easy to talk tough and tell victims what to do. But how can any of us know what that's like?
Yes, this is a fair comment.
Regardless of all this though, many a-listers used Weinstein to get where they are. And they put up with whatever crap he dealt out. And now they are coming down hard against him.
As my new "man of the year", Piers Morgan, wrote: It's laughable how many of the same people who gave child rapist Polanski a standing ovation at the oscars, are now speaking out hard against Weinstein.
Hollywood values really are FUBAR.
It's not just limited to Hollywood/ show business
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@virgil said in Harvey Weinstein:
I wonder if any Ferners currently or have worked for or alongside that was ‘dodgy’
Someone who had a reputation of being a HW, made women uncomfortable or even harassed. Maybe took it too far on at least one occasion.
Imagine your on a good wicket, great income and career prospects, you have a family to support mortgage to pay.
Do you rock the boat and speak out or do you keep your head down and mind your own business? Knowing if you make something of it then in all likelyhood you could be forced to lose your job.That comes down to company culture though.
I have worked in great places where bad behaviour can be called out and dealt with because the company will clearly state what is unacceptable and make a clear process for dealing with it.
Of course that actually drives good behaviour in the first place because people that don't buy into those values don't work for the company in the first place. The only time I ever saw it used was with a newcomer in a high position who started acting like an arse during a meeting, throwing his weight around and not listening to other views, basically bullying others into his way.
We called it out via the process and within one day he apologised to everyone and we moved forward.
Conversely, I have worked in places where nothing was in place, there was no support and the implication is that those in positions of power have full support of their peers. It then becomes very difficult to raise and deal with an issue. -
@crucial said in Harvey Weinstein:
@virgil said in Harvey Weinstein:
I wonder if any Ferners currently or have worked for or alongside that was ‘dodgy’
Someone who had a reputation of being a HW, made women uncomfortable or even harassed. Maybe took it too far on at least one occasion.
Imagine your on a good wicket, great income and career prospects, you have a family to support mortgage to pay.
Do you rock the boat and speak out or do you keep your head down and mind your own business? Knowing if you make something of it then in all likelyhood you could be forced to lose your job....Conversely, I have worked in places where nothing was in place, there was no support and the implication is that those in positions of power have full support of their peers. It then becomes very difficult to raise and deal with an issue.
You are describing my workplace to a tee. Although sexual harassment is virtually non-existent within the work environment, I have, however heard stories about inappropriate behaviour outside of the work environment from those that wield authority. It has become something of a standing joke within the workforce and is managed by making sure people don't find themselves in a position to be made uncomfortable. It is pretty low level stuff really but still inexcusable and the thing I find most offensive is that it is known but brushed under the carpet.
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@majorrage said in Harvey Weinstein:
Regardless of all this though, many a-listers used Weinstein to get where they are. And they put up with whatever crap he dealt out.
They did more than put up with it. They would also hang out with him at red carpet galas, fundraisers, awards shows, posing for cameras touching Harvey, hugging Harvey, kissing Harvey, flirting with Harvey, smiling and having the happiest moments of their lives with Harvey, projecting and selling the idea that Harvey was a really fabulous bloke and professional who respected women and championed liberal causes. All of this AFTER they had already been warned or, godforbid, actually assaulted.
The whole thing was a charade and they participated in that charade.
True, we don't know what it's like to live in the high heels of a supermodel actress who has to make these decisions. But most of us understand the ethical trade-off between making the majors if we take PEDs and sitting in triple-aaa if we don't.
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This is just Page Six "conspiracy theory" gossip at this point . . . but it's goooood Page Six "conspiracy theory" gossip!
Harvey Weinstein doesn't seem to be taking sex rehab seriously
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Harvey Weinstein is already being belligerent at sex addiction rehab — barking into his banned mobile phone and remaining in denial about his alleged sex attacks, insisting each and every one was consensual, Page Six has exclusively learned.
The movie mogul, who volunteered to go to rehab after a wave of allegations of sexual harassment and rape against him from women in Hollywood, isn’t exactly in his element in therapy, falling asleep in sessions or talking on his phone, a source tells Page Six.
Weinstein was reported to be at an inpatient facility, but our source says he is actually being treated at an intensive outpatient facility, which allows him to spend nights at a hotel. The clinic offers one-on-one counseling and group therapy sessions, among other treatments.
The source told us, “In one group therapy session, Harvey arrived 15 minutes late. Then, when it was his turn to speak, he launched into a speech about how this is all a conspiracy against him.”
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@pakman said in Harvey Weinstein:
Screen Actors Guild has formal complaint procedures for sexual harassment. As article indicates, victims' preference for silence/social media indicates the system is dysfunctional in practice.
When is anyone in authority in the 'industry' going to step up to the plate and take a proper steps to tackle to problem?