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  • SammyCS Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #1244

    Read and Whitelock missing 10 tackles combined. That’s some tired old man shit right there.
    Our close in defense was so passive.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    #1245

    The missed tackles were already high before the card. They really started raking up from the 20min mark.
    A lot of it is too do with the poor options (kicking from hand and penalties conceded). We gifted possession to the Aussies so we had to do a ridiculous amount of tackling compared to them

    Read missing 6 is bad. However Read being asked to attempt 28 is the real problem.

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
    #1246

    @Duluth or that BB and Rieko missed as many combined as they made...

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  • K Offline
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    replied to SammyC on last edited by
    #1247

    @SammyC said in Bledisloe #1:

    Our close in defense was so passive.

    That had a massive impact on the game. White ran the cutter like he was god. No one wanted to touch him.

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    #1248

    @Toddy said in Bledisloe #1:

    They tackled better than OZ regarding missed tackles but it was still a bad night. Though a red card will do that. ABs made 160/198 and OZ 80/110.

    Players that missed more than 3

    Read - 22 tackles and 6 misses
    BB - 2 tackles and 3 misses
    Ioane - 4 tackles and 3 misses
    A.Smith - 9 tackles and 3 misses
    Whitelock - 17 tackles and 4 misses
    Moli - 4 tackles and 3 misses

    Based on ESPN stats
    https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=294511&league=244293

    Link not working for me. How many did Mounga miss?

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    replied to Hooroo on last edited by
    #1249

    @Hooroo said in Bledisloe #1:

    @Toddy said in Bledisloe #1:

    They tackled better than OZ regarding missed tackles but it was still a bad night. Though a red card will do that. ABs made 160/198 and OZ 80/110.

    Players that missed more than 3

    Read - 22 tackles and 6 misses
    BB - 2 tackles and 3 misses
    Ioane - 4 tackles and 3 misses
    A.Smith - 9 tackles and 3 misses
    Whitelock - 17 tackles and 4 misses
    Moli - 4 tackles and 3 misses

    Based on ESPN stats
    https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=294511&league=244293

    Link not working for me. How many did Mounga miss?

    Worked second shot. Made 11 and missed 1

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    replied to Hooroo on last edited by Stargazer
    #1250

    @Hooroo said in Bledisloe #1:

    @Toddy said in Bledisloe #1:

    They tackled better than OZ regarding missed tackles but it was still a bad night. Though a red card will do that. ABs made 160/198 and OZ 80/110.

    Players that missed more than 3

    Read - 22 tackles and 6 misses
    BB - 2 tackles and 3 misses
    Ioane - 4 tackles and 3 misses
    A.Smith - 9 tackles and 3 misses
    Whitelock - 17 tackles and 4 misses
    Moli - 4 tackles and 3 misses

    Based on ESPN stats
    https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=294511&league=244293

    Link not working for me. How many did Mounga miss?

    Made 12, missed 0
    according ESPN, Opta and SANZAAR stats

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    Hooroo
    replied to Stargazer on last edited by
    #1251

    @Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:

    @Hooroo said in Bledisloe #1:

    @Toddy said in Bledisloe #1:

    They tackled better than OZ regarding missed tackles but it was still a bad night. Though a red card will do that. ABs made 160/198 and OZ 80/110.

    Players that missed more than 3

    Read - 22 tackles and 6 misses
    BB - 2 tackles and 3 misses
    Ioane - 4 tackles and 3 misses
    A.Smith - 9 tackles and 3 misses
    Whitelock - 17 tackles and 4 misses
    Moli - 4 tackles and 3 misses

    Based on ESPN stats
    https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=294511&league=244293

    Link not working for me. How many did Mounga miss?

    Made 12, missed 0
    according ESPN, Opta and SANZAAR stats

    I misread Turnover Conceded as missed tackle on my phone.

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  • YeetyaahY Offline
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    #1252

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114908394/all-blacks-player-ratings-how-we-rated-steve-hansens-men-in-bledisloe-i

    These ratings are a joke. Read gets an 8/10. Goodhue plays 17 minutes and gets 7/10, but Bridge plays 16 minutes and he "didn't see enough to be rated."

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Yeetyaah on last edited by
    #1253

    @Yeetyaah said in Bledisloe #1:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114908394/all-blacks-player-ratings-how-we-rated-steve-hansens-men-in-bledisloe-i

    These ratings are a joke. Read gets an 8/10. Goodhue plays 17 minutes and gets 7/10, but Bridge plays 16 minutes and he "didn't see enough to be rated."

    Maybe the writer is Watching a different game,Or doesn't understand what he is watching.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    #1254

    When was the last time a team had a player sent off in a test with a significant time to play but still won?

    All of the recent examples I can think of involving the ABs have changed the complexion of the game, particularly if it is a forward given their marching orders. I am thinking of:

    Andre Venter (South Africa), Eden Park, 1997 - 47 mins, lost 55-35 (was 21-23 at HT)
    Danny Grewcock (England), Carisbrook 1998 - 30 mins, lost 64-22
    Simon Shaw (England), Eden Park, 2004 - 11 mins, lost 36-12
    Jamie Heaslip (Ireland), New Plymouth, 2012 - 16 mins, lost 66-28
    Bismarck du Plessis (South Africa), Eden Park, 2013 - 42 mins, lost 29-15 (17-10 at HT)

    I was at the 3 tests at Eden Park, and I know as a fan, the mood of the crowd changed when it became 15 vs 14.

    Other high profile games include Sam Warburton in the 2011 RWC SF.

    Much easier to adjust when you are down a back (e.g. SBW, Fall).

    Maybe there are some 6N games that went against the norm. I'd be interested to know but I think the outcome is pretty much decided.

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  • Mick Gold Coast QLDM Offline
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    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #1255

    You blokes have given each one of your players and the coaches a deserved serve, which echo a couple of views I have held since the last exodus:

    @taniwharugby said in Bledisloe #1:

    @Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:

    a SETTLED backline

    Yep that would help, but forwards still need to find a way out of reverse and neutral...gone are the days we deal to teams in 2nd or 3rd gear.

    How is Mounga supposed to get his game going starting outside TJ one week, AS next, inside SBW then ALB...then there is our midfield, it looks like the days prior to Nonu-Conrad where I think we went 25 tests without starting the same midfield on consecutive tests.

    Our combos should be starting to gel now rather than still looking for them.

    I was unconvinced by Richie Mo'unga from the start, was drawn back in during the recent Super series (when he employed "the pass to someone else now and then" tool) but have now reverted to my initial reading of him.

    He simply does not have the instincts of Beauden Barrett, or Dan Carter and Andrew Mehrtens before him to spontaneously sight and seize opportunity.

    This is the second time in a decade that the selectors have experienced what appears to be a surfeit of first fives - last time they fell over one after the other and Sir Graham had to bring Stephen Donald back from fishing to kick the World Cup winning goal. This time McKenzie is out of the picture and now they are merely coaches with very limited options!

    At the same time:

    @Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:

    @taniwharugby Our musical backline i5 a shambles, and it really doesn't help to have Smith at the end. He is a far better fullback, and needs time to gather a bit of steam now. He can't explode from a standing/few steps start, he just 'dances'.

    which is ironic because exciting runner Israel Dagg found himself shifted to the wing to make way for Smith's exciting running eight years ago. In my view that mucked the pair of them up and we didn't see the best of either one. Last night Reece Hodge again displayed the profitability of motoring onto the ball, Smith can do the same thing from full back but it is not so easy from the wing.

    @ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe #1:

    The backline issues have been a real problem. ...
    ...
    A number of players in there that have been criticised pillar to post, but it has functioned with the right balance of defence, attack and speed.

    But every one of our midfielders including ALB have been injured and we simply don’t have the experienced depth that we’ve had in the past to make a replacement. Part of it is selections and part of it is cycle of player movements.

    The Carter/Nonu/Smith combination didn’t play every test but they played a hell of a lot together, but when one was out we had someone that was ready made replacement.

    This period has been particularly tough.

    Tana Umaga's legacy that. It took years to craft it and how useful it turned out to be.

    Anton Lienert-Brown is a skilled and focused student who could do with the same level of attention at second five or centre but that has been subordinated to the uncertainty around the fitness of Ryan Crotty and Sonny Bill.

    Now all of that is opinion, of course,

    The fact is that last night the Wallabies put together the best first half one could hope to see, thundering forward together and keeping the tempo up all the way to beat the mighty All Blacks, the best there is. They did well and can be well pleased with their effort - congratulations to Michael Cheika for persevering and backing his judgement.

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  • NTAN Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #1256

    Another point I should make from the Wallabies angle, having watched the replay this morning: how fit does Kerevi look? Not only monstering blokes in contact, but going repeat efforts and both he and Koroibete really helped the forwards in close, where the ABs are not as sharp as they are in the second and wider channels.

    Which is kind of what people were asking from the Wobs i.e. stop just chucking it into the first receiver's hands and expecting them to go through the line. Vary the point of attack. Pick n go to suck in the numbers. Standard shit, really...

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    replied to NTA on last edited by akan004
    #1257

    @NTA Kerevi is easily the best inside centre in world rugby imo. Sure he's not the best distributor but his go forward and ability to break tackles is second to none. His defence has improved out of sight as well.

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    replied to kev on last edited by
    #1258

    @kev the point is that if we had consistent backline selections with the odd change here or there, no matter their age, we would’ve been in a far better situation.

    We’ve had ageing players in recent times that had fluctuating form - eg Nonu, Smith, Carter, Jane. These guys didn’t always perform when in black, some of them had howlers, but they were good more often than not and the combinations and experience no doubt helped them perform.

    We simply haven’t done this.

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  • K Offline
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    kev
    replied to ACT Crusader on last edited by
    #1259

    @ACT-Crusader it’s a good point.

    For me last night was all about our forwards being dominated. It was 80/20 and not even the best backline can exist with those ratios.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    replied to kev on last edited by
    #1260

    @kev said in Bledisloe #1:

    For me last night was all about our forwards being dominated. It was 80/20 and not even the best backline can exist with those ratios.

    Sure, but the backs were giving away plenty of ball too. The 80% possession the Aussies had in the first half was caused by poor options, errors and penalties.

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  • J Offline
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    replied to E African Troll on last edited by
    #1261

    @E-African-Troll said in Bledisloe #1:

    @akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:

    his defence as well but still rate him above Perry

    In case anyone has doubts about the validity of S Barrett's Red Card:

    Hmmm... mitigating factors might play a factor in his sentencing.

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  • nzzpN Online
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    replied to junior on last edited by
    #1262

    @junior said in Bledisloe #1:

    @E-African-Troll said in Bledisloe #1:

    @akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:

    his defence as well but still rate him above Perry

    In case anyone has doubts about the validity of S Barrett's Red Card:

    Hmmm... mitigating factors might play a factor in his sentencing.

    what mitigating factors? It was stupid and clumsy, and a Red is a valid outcome. I don't think it was malicious or cynical, just very poor technique and decision making

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  • Chester DrawsC Offline
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    #1263

    Let's not forget that Barrett's foul wasn't out of the blue. He did it because we were in desperate straits, and needed to stop them before they scored another try. Tiredness and desperation do that.

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