BOP Eruption?
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"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
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@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
I don't expect the familty to be reasonable or even that rational at the moment. All the more reason for the scrumbag journalists to stop putting them on camera.
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@Kirwan Fair call, hence my comment about grief. I wouldn't be asking but I've been there so my view is probably a bit different.
50 to 60% isn't good enough to risk others. You've lost your family getting the body back won't help much. Kudos to the guys that have done it though.
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@Kirwan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
"Families of the deceased were growing increasingly frustrated the bodies could not be recovered. "
That's the shit that annoys me. Somebody else's life at risk so that you can get a corpse back.
Grief is an awful thing but don't inflict on somebody else's family as well.
I don't expect the familty to be reasonable or even that rational at the moment. All the more reason for the scrumbag journalists to stop putting them on camera.
Its Pike river 2.0 . Obviously the upgrade isn't personally blaming Ardern and referring to White Island an active crime scene , the journos are behaving much the same way though.
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Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
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@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
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@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
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@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
Yep. People concerned about the rights of Mr 20 minutes to do whatever he wanted as a battle against the ‘ever controlling authorities’ somehow missed the rights of the many others also involved in the picture.
Particularly the rights of the international families not to have someone just charge in ‘in 20 minutes’ and - among other things - possibly wreck any chance of victim identification of the deceased for closure. Sure, he knew where he left the local(s) he knew well, but he had absolutely no idea who the other individuals are. Let alone the two missing, despite being reported as ‘knowing where they all are’.
Six members of a SAS unit whose ethos is “into harms way” didn’t spend three hours in that manner on the Island because they are into filling forms in triplicate.
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@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
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@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
I had to look it up. Still planning another attempt, so haven't completely given it away but they have to be close to cutting their losses. There's nothing to be gained.
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@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@No-Quarter said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Mokey said in BOP Eruption?:
Re the families, to be fair I don't think Mr 20 mins helped at all in terms of their expectations. Body recovery can be tricky enough at the best of times and conditions, but this is an active volcano, and the bodies were blasted with gases and sulphuric acid and extreme heat. About the most delicate operation imaginable.
About as helpful as Winny wanking on about him going into the Pike River mine
Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that the re-entry into Pike River mine went from something straightforward to such a complex mission that requires extensive planning and constant re-schedules due to safety issues in the eyes of the Labour party as well as the soulless Winny. Their politicization of that is one of the darkest times in the party's history IMO, not something I'll ever forget.
Have they gone back in yet?
I haven't heard anything in the media so I assume not. I'd expect a photo of Cinda standing in hardhat with pensive droopy mouth at the entrance to hug the assembled families
I had to look it up. Still planning another attempt, so haven't completely given it away but they have to be close to cutting their losses. There's nothing to be gained.
I wouldn't expect them to issue an apology to National and the police for being total carnts about it
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#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
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@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
So not a simple matter of just going and picking up the bodies like some of the victims families and the pilot were making out.
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@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Donsteppa said in BOP Eruption?:
#PaddyGower #20minutes
Wading through boiling, knee-deep acidic sludge, the team of experienced specialist soldiers tasked with recovering six bodies from Whakaari/White Island looked at each other in doubt.
The battle-hardened veterans from the Defence Force's SAS E Sqaudron team had never found themselves in a situation like this before.
“It was unbelievable, not a condition we train for or ever expect to operate in, it's just so much hotter than you could expect."
So not a simple matter of just going and picking up the bodies like some of the victims families and the pilot were making out.
Easy as. The levels of sulpur dioxide were only a mere 30 times above normal on Tuesday.
(Yep, I'm still pretty mad at that whole aspect of it!)
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To be fair maybe that might have been the case if the pilots flew back on Monday, as the week went on of course tons of debris and ash rained down on the island plus it rained as well?
Super human effort by all involved in the rescue on Friday, nothing anyone could have trained for.
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
To be fair maybe that might have been the case if the pilots flew back on Monday, as the week went on of course tons of debris and ash rained down on the island plus it rained as well?
Super human effort by all involved in the rescue on Friday, nothing anyone could have trained for.
It will all come out in the wash eventually, but I’d be pretty sure GNS was still able to monitor those gas levels on Monday evening when the last search and rescue work on the Island itself ceased. Breathability likely got worse and worse.
Also at that stage, military/police/air ambulance helicopter and fixed wing transportation of critically burned patients from an overwhelmed Whakatane hospital to burns units throughout NZ became more urgent than retrieval of the deceased. Needing to divert those resources to potentially rescue (incredibly well meaning!) body retrievers from gas inhalation wasn’t something to risk throwing in the mix alongside everything else - while there was still vital work to be done for the living.
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
That Gower bloke's opinion is secondary to his immensely punchable face
Must have Aussie blood in him...
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
That Gower bloke's opinion is secondary to his immensely punchable face
Must have Aussie blood in him...
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