Coronavirus - Overall
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one has learned a goddam thing over the past 2 years.
See it's funny as I think the last few days have shown we've learned a lot.
If this was six months ago I think there'd be demands for a nationwide lockdown, or at least in Sydney. We've had an Omicron case in the community - time to panic!
But now I think the response is considered and appropriate. We don't know how bad this is so some caution is required, but not so much caution that we shut society down.
probably a fair call mate
I'm still in Qld, and there is still the potential for us to stay shut off. And even chat around it makes me very jumpy, which clouds my judgement
I'm mainly pissed at a media determined to make a "super-mutant" (yeah, i read that today) thing really fucking scary when no one knows anything.
What is likely to be really interesting is how things will go if it turns out that the current vaccines aren’t effective. I can’t see the various communities around being prepared to get to another 90% vaccination rate, so hopefully this version is less virulent and the vaccines work enough to keep serious complications down.
If not, I have to admit, my wife and I will have some hard decisions to make.
i really don't even want to think about that to be honest. That's a horrific scenario for the world. Imagine going back to square 1?
From what I read there's no chance of going back to square one. The vaccines will work, it's just a case of how effective they are. They may not be 100% efective but they won't be 0% either. This is a mutation but it's still the same virus.
I’m hoping that the politicians keep that in mind. Japan has already shut its border (again) to new arrivals. I expect NZ to do something.
I don't think I can handle another two years of this shit.
NZ is currently just waiting, we have MIQ still so don't need to do anything else currently.
Agree with others that the vaccines should still generally be reasonably effective, they prepare the immune system for the virus and it might still be able to recognize it through the new disguise.
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If Omricon is mild and beneficial rather than the apocalypse version. Instead of a Southern African travel ban, can we send a charter flight to South Africa and pick up a hundred odd young South African cricketers and return to NZ and spread them around the country.
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@mikethesnow I liken that to when parts of NZ were due to come out of L4 to L3 or L2 form L3, anyone in a town outside Auckland would have been reluctant to get tested lest they be the cause of thier town/city staying in lockdown longer.
Covid via the media has created all manner of fear in people.
As an aside, that is from earlier in the week is it? Does seem interesting they were quick out of the blocks, yet new information and updates is less frequent (form what I have seen anyway)
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Sorry chaps but the unpublished SA R rate has jumped from 0.6 to 2.7 in a week.
Not enough data yet for material effect re hospitals sickness but the above is a fact unfortunately.
I don't think anyone doubts that is a more contagious form of the disease. The key question is whether it is as lethal as Delta.
And it seems early Pfizer data has shown the vaccine can be up to 90% effective against Omicron. Still early days and it's hardly an independent source but the signs are looking OK at the moment that this won't throw the world back into chaos.
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So we have Delta and the need for constant boosters. Now we have Omicron and the possible need for another vaccine, then possibly more boosters for that variant. And then we have children as young as five about to receive the vaccine for Delta and presumably constant boosters. And a possible new booster for them for Omicron. This is not including new variants that may come up.
I am sort of over this shit.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So we have Delta and the need for constant boosters. Now we have Omicron and the possible need for another vaccine, then possibly more boosters for that variant. And then we have children as young as five about to receive the vaccine for Delta and presumably constant boosters. And a possible new booster for them for Omicron. This is not including new variants that may come up.
I am sort over this shit.
that is the absolute worst case though, @barbarian just said pfizer early signs looking good for being effective against omicron, if so then there may be no change
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I think the way it will apparently work is that one of Delta or Moronic (or the next strain) will be the dominant strain and make the other obsolete.
Virus wars!
What are the odds at the TAB?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@frank I think the way it will apparently work is that one of Delta or Moronic (or the next strain) will be the dominant strain and make the other obsolete.
Virus wars!
The one that is the most contagious wins. That looks like it could be Omicron and if it really is a less potent but more contagious variant then that's great news. Then we really may be in the situation of 'just an annual flu'
But just like flu variants you are better off to vaccinate.
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Study shows booster jabs massively increase protection from Covid
Booster jabs “massively” strengthen the body’s defences against Covid, according to key results that have raised hopes of strong protection from the Omicron variant. A third dose not only increased antibody levels thirtyfold, but roughly tripled levels of T-cells, a part of the immune system that experts believe could be the critical weapon against the heavily mutated Omicron strain. The long-awaited results of the trial underpin Britain’s decision to press ahead with a mass booster campaign. They found that Pfizer and Moderna performed best as boosters out of six vaccines that were tested. Omicron is a concern, in part, because it has a large number of mutations in the spike protein that the virus uses to latch on to and break into cells. This may mean that antibodies, which bind to the spike to prevent new infections, work less well. There are only a limited number of places on the spike that are recognised by antibodies, with six being particularly important for preventing infection. The fear is that Omicron’s mutations will alter them. But T-cells, which can destroy infected cells and are thought to guard against severe disease, can recognise more of the spike, making them less sensitive to mutations. Professor Francois Balloux, of the UCL Genetics Institute, said: “The Omicron variant carries around 30 mutations in the spike protein and some are expected to compromise antibody binding, but T-cell immune recognition should remain largely unaffected.”
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Really interesting and thorough read on Vaccine hesitancy.
Obviously taking a US societal point of view so it's difficult to tell how much of conclusions apply elsewhere. The bottom line of forging trust and collective thinking through universal health care obviously doesn't apply here and we still see the hesitancy (maybe not on the same scale).
I do think that some of our issues relate to what is written. The whole "you don't help us so why should we help you" thinking and how for those at lower economic ends of society, Covid isn't seen as the most important threat to daily life.
Good point also that how we did so well (almost) eradicating other diseases we created a generation that sees the cure as a bigger threat than the disease.
Despite all of this I still cannot fathom why someone would take their stand of principle to the point where they give away their livelihood, especially when they then turn back to the same govt they mistrust to say that society now owes me support.
I know they are a smaller group of the small group but they are the ones you feel sorry for as their thinking has got so twisted by misinformation to their detriment. -
@victor-meldrew friend in healthcare had the booster and was pretty ill (puking, etc). Didn't have that reaction to the first two. Wonder if it is stronger than the previous version?
Really looking forward to getting that
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@crucial from the stats I've seen, the vast majority of unvaccinated are in low risk groups. So they're quite unlikely to be making a stand that costs their lives. That's basically the core point of their argument
Nz really is in a great spot with its at risk groups over 95% vaccinated
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@victor-meldrew friend in healthcare had the booster and was pretty ill (puking, etc). Didn't have that reaction to the first two. Wonder if it is stronger than the previous version?
Really looking forward to getting that
I had my booster last week (moderna), the usual slightly sore arm for a day or two that you often get with an inoculation and this time a bit of an on/off headache, but that was it. From what I’ve seen, most people pretty much sail through it.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@victor-meldrew friend in healthcare had the booster and was pretty ill (puking, etc). Didn't have that reaction to the first two. Wonder if it is stronger than the previous version?
Really looking forward to getting that
I had my booster last week (moderna), the usual slightly sore arm for a day or two that you often get with an inoculation and this time a bit of an on/off headache, but that was it. From what I’ve seen, most people pretty much sail through it.
Wife will be pleased to hear that, she's scheduled earlier than me and the kids. Although we are all Pfizer here.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@victor-meldrew friend in healthcare had the booster and was pretty ill (puking, etc). Didn't have that reaction to the first two. Wonder if it is stronger than the previous version?
Really looking forward to getting that
My two jabs were AZ and the booster was Pfizer.
No reaction whatsoever with the booster - just a sore arm for a day or two. The only downside was having to wait 15 minutes as it was Pfizer.