Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@williethewaiter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
what 'level' of employee is that though?
Have a mate who owns a manufacturing firm.. his take is that when you're essentially at the 'peak' of where you can get to in your work, which isn't really anywhere when you're kinda locked in that low level no prospects don't care how taking sick leave reflects on you, then they view sick leave as an entitlement that they will 100% use every year. Usually use it all up in the first 6 months then don't have more sick days...
So straight up $300k hit to the bottom line of his company by adding the additional week.
Probably does make a difference.
We had unlimited sick leave in my previous life but most liked the job so went to work. Some however, just took the piss, and days off, because they wanted to go for a walk or whatever. Eventually employer spat the dummy and sent out intimidation letters if you had more than a few sick days a year . The letter was along the lines of how they were "monitoring" your health. Kind of them. I never got one so can't be exact. Was in a country with with few labour laws so they could say what they liked. Union was all over it though and CAA were concerned but useless.
So how many of you want to be on a plane with a sick pilot that has been forced to go to work?
There are at least two pilots for a reason and yes it happens. I have done a solo last bit of flight when F/O was crook and was incapacitated.
Forcing people to work when ill is never good, but if you give some free reign they will also abuse it. Employers pay the cost.
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@snowy yeah laws there were insane.
I remember I called in sick one day then logged on from home. First message from my boss - βif you can login from home, you can come in, in my viewβ.
Completely absurd take especially given the way HK folk are about germ spread.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy yeah laws there were insane.
I remember I called in sick one day then logged on from home. First message from my boss - βif you can login from home, you can come in, in my viewβ.
Completely absurd take especially given the way HK folk are about germ spread.
But they are workaholics as well. Probably just expect you to work with a mask on
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@williethewaiter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
what 'level' of employee is that though?
Have a mate who owns a manufacturing firm.. his take is that when you're essentially at the 'peak' of where you can get to in your work, which isn't really anywhere when you're kinda locked in that low level no prospects don't care how taking sick leave reflects on you, then they view sick leave as an entitlement that they will 100% use every year. Usually use it all up in the first 6 months then don't have more sick days...
So straight up $300k hit to the bottom line of his company by adding the additional week.
I don't quite get your question? Our workforce doesn't use the entitlement and we are a manufacturing company (As you would know)
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@majorrage our work has encouraged people to work from home post lockdown 1...we have 1 staff member that is always sick (was one that had to self isolate during L4 after being at a place of interest) but now they can work more often than not when at home.
There are a few that still do 2 days from home a week, I could but my home set up ain't ideal and I prefer an office environment.
@WillieTheWaiter assume you are still in same place? When I was there they were very hit on sick leave, I had 2 in my team of 9 that used thier allowance every year, the other part in our office had a similar % but twice as many staff.
HR made me have a sit down with my staff, to make sure thier work/life balance was right, if there was any factors at work that might be contributing to thier ill health (10 days in a year...)
In my experience some do take the piss, but like life, is usually a minority that make things tougher for everyone else, especially as staff notice the ones who pull sickies too
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage our work has encouraged people to work from home post lockdown 1...we have 1 staff member that is always sick (was one that had to self isolate during L4 after being at a place of interest) but now they can work more often than not when at home.
There are a few that still do 2 days from home a week, I could but my home set up ain't ideal and I prefer an office environment.
@WillieTheWaiter assume you are still in same place? When I was there they were very hit on sick leave, I had 2 in my team of 9 that used thier allowance every year, the other part in our office had a similar % but twice as many staff.
HR made me have a sit down with my staff, to make sure thier work/life balance was right, if there was any factors at work that might be contributing to thier ill health (10 days in a year...)
In my experience some do take the piss, but like life, is usually a minority that make things tougher for everyone else, especially as staff notice the ones who pull sickies too
yep still living the dream. you should come back!
still big issues with sick leave usage in contact centres.. defo have to factor that in to any resource planning. 'head office' types not an issue.
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@williethewaiter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
what 'level' of employee is that though?
Have a mate who owns a manufacturing firm.. his take is that when you're essentially at the 'peak' of where you can get to in your work, which isn't really anywhere when you're kinda locked in that low level no prospects don't care how taking sick leave reflects on you, then they view sick leave as an entitlement that they will 100% use every year. Usually use it all up in the first 6 months then don't have more sick days...
So straight up $300k hit to the bottom line of his company by adding the additional week.
I don't quite get your question? Our workforce doesn't use the entitlement and we are a manufacturing company (As you would know)
so the 'min wage' type employee doesn't use them? That's good.
What I was getting at was that we see a massive disparity between those who use their sick days between staff who are 'min wage contact centre' types and 'head office career progression' types.
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@williethewaiter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@williethewaiter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
what 'level' of employee is that though?
Have a mate who owns a manufacturing firm.. his take is that when you're essentially at the 'peak' of where you can get to in your work, which isn't really anywhere when you're kinda locked in that low level no prospects don't care how taking sick leave reflects on you, then they view sick leave as an entitlement that they will 100% use every year. Usually use it all up in the first 6 months then don't have more sick days...
So straight up $300k hit to the bottom line of his company by adding the additional week.
I don't quite get your question? Our workforce doesn't use the entitlement and we are a manufacturing company (As you would know)
so the 'min wage' type employee doesn't use them? That's good.
What I was getting at was that we see a massive disparity between those who use their sick days between staff who are 'min wage contact centre' types and 'head office career progression' types.
Oh absolutely some do. I would never dispute that. But for the most they don't.
And min wage is closer to 100k than not for ground staff. Strong union
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I had a realisation the other other day, as I work for an american company. Been having some headache issues that I've been working through, but one beat me so I mentioned to my boss that he'd have put the day down as a sick day for me.
No irony, the reply was what's a sick day.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I had a realisation the other other day, as I work for an american company. Been having some headache issues that I've been working through, but one beat me so I mentioned to my boss that he'd have put the day down as a sick day for me.
No irony, the reply was what's a sick day.
Working in the US must suck. 10 days annual leave is standard, isn't it?
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I had a realisation the other other day, as I work for an american company. Been having some headache issues that I've been working through, but one beat me so I mentioned to my boss that he'd have put the day down as a sick day for me.
No irony, the reply was what's a sick day.
Working in the US must suck. 10 days annual leave is standard, isn't it?
Depends on the state, this one is three weeks. Luckily I have a NZ contract so I have 4, but from time to time I have to explain NZ law. The other notable difference is how many public holidays we get compared to them.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I had a realisation the other other day, as I work for an american company. Been having some headache issues that I've been working through, but one beat me so I mentioned to my boss that he'd have put the day down as a sick day for me.
No irony, the reply was what's a sick day.
Working in the US must suck. 10 days annual leave is standard, isn't it?
Depends on the state, this one is three weeks. Luckily I have a NZ contract so I have 4, but from time to time I have to explain NZ law. The other notable difference is how many public holidays we get compared to them.
4 is NZ law isn't it?
How many stat days do they get?
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
As at 11:59pm 14 September 2021:
As the standard spacing between doses is 6 weeks, hopefully this means that we will have > 70% of 12 yo and over people fully vaccinated in about 6 weeks time.
Stats for 15th just released:
Of interest now is seeing where the bookings may plateau out at.
Since yesterday:
New bookings +13k
First dose + 41k
Second dose + 23kWell, I won't bother putting too much importance on increases in the new bookings number like I did yesterday.
Today it has declined by 5k from yesterday's number.
Not sure how that happens