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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@donsteppa true. However canefans advice is skant comfort for my Indian mate whose brother in law died last week less than 48 hours after receiving the vaccine.
How's that for a literal gamble?
In turn, a choice that my Aunty’s neighbour in the North-East who died of Covid pre-vaccine never got to make.
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It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
@kirwan yeah I didn't mention long Covid (again) because it seems to get ignored but it appears like close to 40% are suffering and not just old bastards / fat bastards
Here's something I found and copied from a Swedish Dr. It refutes the information you've been given.
98% of people with Covid have recovered fully within three months.
From the book, yes it's long but it covers a fair bit including studies used to propel the long covid hypothesis. The author suggests its post- viral syndrome:
When people ask me about my views on long Covid, my standard answer has been that I don’t think it’s any different from post-viral syndrome, a condition that has been known about for decades, that affects some people after a viral respiratory infection, and that is primarily characterized by intense fatigue.1 I’ve been generally skeptical of claims of long Covid as some distinct new entity for a couple of reasons.
First, as mentioned earlier in this book, it’s generally impossible to separate out cause and effect from anecdote and observational data. If you have a respiratory infection and then you continue to feel tired afterwards, was it the respiratory infection that caused it or something else?
Second, for those who have been seriously sick with Covid and required intensive care, PTSD (post-traumatic stress syndrome) is something that could easily be misinterpreted as long Covid (PTSD is actually quite common after intensive care, affecting one in ten patients).
Apart from that, some studies have found that almost 60% of people treated in intensive care (for any condition, not Covid specifically) still have cognitive impairments twelve months after being discharged.
So, for those who have had more severe disease and then develop more long-lasting symptoms, it can be due to the nature of having suffered through severe disease, rather than anything that is specific to Covid.
Third, Covid is not some magical entity, it’s a disease caused by a coronavirus. It would be strange for Covid to be able to cause symptoms that other respiratory viruses don’t. Especially considering that there are four other coronaviruses in circulation in the population that are genetically very similar to Covid-19, and which have been known about and studied for decades.
That being said, I understand why patients might want to diagnose themselves with long Covid, and why media might want to write articles about long Covid. One thing that is clear about long Covid is that it is a social media phenomenon. The disease wasn’t discovered by doctors or scientists. It was “discovered” by people who found each other on the internet. In that sense, it shares something very much in common with conditions that most doctors agree are bogus, such as amalgam poisoning and electricity allergy.
But maybe I’m just letting my biases get in the way. So, I decided to try to see what the published literature had to say about long Covid. That turned out to be easier said than done. My PubMed search for “long Covid” didn’t generate a single article (PubMed is the biggest and best known database for articles in the field of medical science). My searches on Google scholar and medRxiv did generate a few hits, although most turned out to be opinion pieces, not scientific research. There were a few studies of interest though, which I will spend the rest of this chapter discussing.
The British National Institute of Health Research organized a focus group earlier this year with members of the “Long Covid” Facebook group, and the results were published in October.2 Members of the focus group described symptoms “moving around their bodies” and “coming and going”, and described pretty much all different types of symptoms from every different organ. Even symptoms from the urinary tract were identified as symptoms of long Covid.
To me, this is clear evidence that long Covid is not one thing, but rather many different things. It’s basically whatever the person who thinks they have it says it is. Anything and everything can be attributed to long Covid.
Here is a quote from the study, by a woman who has diagnosed herself with long Covid: My journey with Covid-19 began on 27th April. I’m still unwell five months on and haven’t been able to resume a normal life since. My worst and scariest experience with this illness was in week 6, when I was rushed to A&E as I had a sudden relapse of symptoms and found myself gasping for air, with the top of my head numb and tingling and a headache so blinding that I couldn’t keep my eyes open. I got worse in the hospital and was shaking visibly, so much so that the nurse couldn’t perform an ECG as I just couldn’t stay still. Despite having been diagnosed with suspected Covid by my GP and a doctor in a Covid clinic (swab testing wasn’t available to the public at the time) and told I had pleurisy during a visit to A&E two weeks earlier, the doctor on duty didn’t take this into account. Instead, he dismissed me with anxiety, advising a course of anti-depressants, and chose not to investigate these concerning symptoms further. Of course I was anxious, but that was a consequence of the physical symptoms, not the cause!
To me (and I suspect other doctors reading this) it is pretty obvious that the woman was having a panic attack, which the doctor in A&E diagnosed correctly.
But she is completely certain that what she had was a “long Covid” attack, even though, as is clear from the text, it isn’t even certain that she ever had Covid in the first place. On MedRxiv, there is a pre-print awaiting peer review of a prospective cohort study that followed 4,182 people with positive PCR tests for Covid over the course of a few months, to see what symptoms they had, and how quickly they recovered.3 Participants reported their symptoms in a phone based app. So, how fast did people recover from Covid?
86% had completely recovered within four weeks. At the eight week mark, that number had increased to 95% and by twelve weeks 98% said that they had recovered fully. So, if we assume that this study was reasonably accurate, then only one in 50 people who get Covid still have symptoms at the twelve week point.
Unfortunately the study didn’t go on longer than that – it would have been interesting to see how many still felt they had symptoms at the six month mark, to really get an estimate of what the prevalence of long Covid is. The most common symptoms in people with long Covid (defined in the study as still having symptoms after four weeks) were fatigue (98%) and intermittent headache (91%). These are both extremely unspecific symptoms, i.e. there is nothing about them that is specific for Covid. In fact, they’re some of the most commonly reported symptoms for post-viral syndrome, suggesting that long Covid and post-viral syndrome are to a large extent one and the same.
What can we conclude from this study?
First, long Covid is rare.
Around one in fifty people still have symptoms at the twelve week mark, and since the number with symptoms dropped significantly at one, two, and three months, it is likely that the reduction continues after twelve weeks, and that it is a tiny fraction that still has symptoms at six months.
Apart from that, symptoms of long Covid are extremely unspecific, so it is probable that long Covid is actually a whole bunch of different things, of which I would think post-viral syndrome is likely a significant part. Considering the media fear-mongering going on during virtually all of 2020, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the so called long Covid cases are actually suffering from an anxiety disorder that has been exacerbated by the media response to the virus.
I’m going to finish by discussing another pre-print currently up on medRxiv. This was another cohort study in which 201 individuals with continuing symptoms four months after being infected with Covid underwent an MRI of the chest and abdomen to see if there were any signs of organ impairment.4 Now, this study has so many problems that I seriously debated with myself whether to bother writing about it, but for the sake of completeness I decided in favor, especially since it is the only study so far that could be claimed to provide hard evidence for long Covid as a distinct entity. If nothing else, it will provide a good education in how to use the mantle of “science” to manipulate people so that you can sell more product. The study was funded by the National Consortium of Intelligent Medical Imaging (NCIMI), which sounds very progressive and nice. This organization is of course in turn funded by multiple companies involved in producing MRI machines, such as General Electric, Alliance Medical, and Perspectum. As it happens, one of the authors of the paper is the CEO of Perspectum. I’m sure you can see where I am going with this. The study was run by people with a strong financial interest in getting hospitals to increase their use of MRI machines. What better way to do that than to “find” a bunch of damaged organs, which no-one would have ever known about if not for MRI? Ok, so, what they did was this.
They gathered 201 patients who had been diagnosed with Covid, either through a positive PCR test, or a positive antibody test, or by having two clinicians independently decide that they had Covid, and who still had symptoms at four months. The average age of the participants was 44 years. The researchers then shoved the patients (metaphorically, not literally) into an MRI scanner, and scanned their lungs, heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas, and spleen. They then analyzed the images, and compared them with standardized “healthy” reference values. What did they find? 32% of participants had signs of impaired heart function. 33% had signs of impaired lung function. 12% had signs of impaired kidney function. 10% had signs of impaired liver function. 17% had signs of impaired pancreas function. And 6% had signs of impaired spleen function. Overall, 66% of participants had signs of organ dysfunction in at least one organ.
That sounds pretty awful. So what is the catch? The catch is that they didn’t compare the patients to a control group. This is a standard trick when you want to make something seem really bad, since readers will naturally assume that if there had been a control group then 0% in the control group would have had signs of impaired organ function. And 32% with signs of a heart disorder on MRI is a lot more than 0%.
However, that is actually extremely unlikely. For all we know, more people would have had signs of impaired heart function in the control group than in the long Covid group. Since this study didn’t include a control group, it doesn’t tell us anything.
The study is useless.
And, as an aside, the study found no correlation between the symptoms the patients had and the findings on MRI. So, double useless. The MRI findings were completely incidental. So, that pretty much sums it up.
There is no hard evidence to support long Covid as a distinct disease entity, and the wildly varying, non-specific, and intermittent symptom picture suggests it is actually a conglomerate diagnosis that is being used to describe a large number of different disease entities, and which is being used by politicians and the media in an attempt to scare the hell out of people.
Regardless, 98% of people with Covid have recovered fully within three months. Maybe it will turn out that long Covid is a real entity after all (distinct from post-viral syndrome, PTSD, anxiety disorder, and so on) when better research is done down the line, but we can’t just assume it based on anecdote, fear-mongering, groupthink, and low quality science.
That doesn’t benefit anyone, least of all people with other underlying health issues that are not properly investigated because it’s so easy to just blame everything on Covid.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam Doesn't that just imply the vaccination was too late? Or are you suggesting causality?
Some less vague details for you about Sanjay in India. 44 years old but kidney problems since his 30s. Dialysis 2 times a week for a few years - a life changer but as Jonah demonstrated, not necessarily a life stopper. He was living as normally as usual at this time.
He was put on the vaccination register in India. Got the vaccine ( don't know which one) 14 days ago. After a day or two he had insufferable diarrhoea and was admitted to hospital. After about 10 days his body shut down and he passed. No presence of covid so not a covid death.RIP Sanjay. Relatives pulled rank to get the body out but wife and family not allowed to attend the cremation.
I'm reluctant to draw any conclusions one way or the other
Just another sad episode that only serves to remind how complex this thing is.
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@siam Long Covid is most definitely a thing. A good friend of ours hasn't been able to smell / taste anything for a year and is going to have to retrain. Another old friend of mine has it much worse, he still can't walk for more than 5 mins. He was no marathon runner before, but he wasn't a lazy slob either.
You'll notice when you get blood tests for various things the "normal ranges" are colossal. A standard might be something between 3-12! Thus, the healthy range can be up to 400%.
Covid is exactly the same. Yes, you can generalise that it tends to affect the elderly, obese, sick much worse. And that's pretty much so all due to a weakened immune system. But there are also perfectly health 20-30 year olds who have died, and 90+ who have sailed right through it. This is why the conspiracy theorists (not call you that, btw) are able to find so many markers to prove their points.
It really does affect everybody differently.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - UK:
Wife was telling me a horror story from one of the doctors of a fairly fit guy in his 40s having an awful time with Covid.
I'm a reasonably fit bloke in, uh, late middle age and had what the GP thinks could have been Long Covid last year. Flattened me for 4-5 months.
The other impact of Covid is hospitals getting clogged up and routine treatments being cancelled - cancer treatments in particular.
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@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Bugger. I’ve got my second shot next Thursday and a PT session straight after. 😳
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - UK:
Yep, on the whole I think kids have/will come out of it fine.
I actually think society is going to come out of this fine as well.
There's lots of positives and opportunities to be exploited - more working from home reducing congestion and pollution, parents getting more involved in kids education, small, local businesses becoming more important and more people using social media in local communities. Our local village set up a FB page as a notice board during Lockdown and it's been brilliant at bringing people together and supporting the more vulnerable.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Bugger. I’ve got my second shot next Thursday and a PT session straight after. 😳
AZ? Is the second shot less of an after effect anyway? You'll be sweet for the PT session anyway, just the next day that will be fun
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
@kirwan yeah I didn't mention long Covid (again) because it seems to get ignored but it appears like close to 40% are suffering and not just old bastards / fat bastards
My intuition is that Long Covid has become a rather clumsy catch all term for a wide variety of Covid symptoms, and isn't a discrete thing. Allied to which, in at least UK the long term mental health effects of lockdown/front line/other are being conflated with having had Covid, which makes the statistics highly unreliable.
The proposition that 40% of Covid sufferors will have long term serious health impediments (and not asserting that is what you believe) is bogus.
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@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Pussy.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
@kirwan yeah I didn't mention long Covid (again) because it seems to get ignored but it appears like close to 40% are suffering and not just old bastards / fat bastards
Here's something I found and copied from a Swedish Dr. It refutes the information you've been given.
98% of people with Covid have recovered fully within three months.
From the book, yes it's long but it covers a fair bit including studies used to propel the long covid hypothesis. The author suggests its post- viral syndrome:
When people ask me about my views on long Covid, my standard answer has been that I don’t think it’s any different from post-viral syndrome, a condition that has been known about for decades, that affects some people after a viral respiratory infection, and that is primarily characterized by intense fatigue.1 I’ve been generally skeptical of claims of long Covid as some distinct new entity for a couple of reasons.
First, as mentioned earlier in this book, it’s generally impossible to separate out cause and effect from anecdote and observational data. If you have a respiratory infection and then you continue to feel tired afterwards, was it the respiratory infection that caused it or something else?
Second, for those who have been seriously sick with Covid and required intensive care, PTSD (post-traumatic stress syndrome) is something that could easily be misinterpreted as long Covid (PTSD is actually quite common after intensive care, affecting one in ten patients).
Apart from that, some studies have found that almost 60% of people treated in intensive care (for any condition, not Covid specifically) still have cognitive impairments twelve months after being discharged.
So, for those who have had more severe disease and then develop more long-lasting symptoms, it can be due to the nature of having suffered through severe disease, rather than anything that is specific to Covid.
Third, Covid is not some magical entity, it’s a disease caused by a coronavirus. It would be strange for Covid to be able to cause symptoms that other respiratory viruses don’t. Especially considering that there are four other coronaviruses in circulation in the population that are genetically very similar to Covid-19, and which have been known about and studied for decades.
That being said, I understand why patients might want to diagnose themselves with long Covid, and why media might want to write articles about long Covid. One thing that is clear about long Covid is that it is a social media phenomenon. The disease wasn’t discovered by doctors or scientists. It was “discovered” by people who found each other on the internet. In that sense, it shares something very much in common with conditions that most doctors agree are bogus, such as amalgam poisoning and electricity allergy.
But maybe I’m just letting my biases get in the way. So, I decided to try to see what the published literature had to say about long Covid. That turned out to be easier said than done. My PubMed search for “long Covid” didn’t generate a single article (PubMed is the biggest and best known database for articles in the field of medical science). My searches on Google scholar and medRxiv did generate a few hits, although most turned out to be opinion pieces, not scientific research. There were a few studies of interest though, which I will spend the rest of this chapter discussing.
The British National Institute of Health Research organized a focus group earlier this year with members of the “Long Covid” Facebook group, and the results were published in October.2 Members of the focus group described symptoms “moving around their bodies” and “coming and going”, and described pretty much all different types of symptoms from every different organ. Even symptoms from the urinary tract were identified as symptoms of long Covid.
To me, this is clear evidence that long Covid is not one thing, but rather many different things. It’s basically whatever the person who thinks they have it says it is. Anything and everything can be attributed to long Covid.
Here is a quote from the study, by a woman who has diagnosed herself with long Covid: My journey with Covid-19 began on 27th April. I’m still unwell five months on and haven’t been able to resume a normal life since. My worst and scariest experience with this illness was in week 6, when I was rushed to A&E as I had a sudden relapse of symptoms and found myself gasping for air, with the top of my head numb and tingling and a headache so blinding that I couldn’t keep my eyes open. I got worse in the hospital and was shaking visibly, so much so that the nurse couldn’t perform an ECG as I just couldn’t stay still. Despite having been diagnosed with suspected Covid by my GP and a doctor in a Covid clinic (swab testing wasn’t available to the public at the time) and told I had pleurisy during a visit to A&E two weeks earlier, the doctor on duty didn’t take this into account. Instead, he dismissed me with anxiety, advising a course of anti-depressants, and chose not to investigate these concerning symptoms further. Of course I was anxious, but that was a consequence of the physical symptoms, not the cause!
To me (and I suspect other doctors reading this) it is pretty obvious that the woman was having a panic attack, which the doctor in A&E diagnosed correctly.
But she is completely certain that what she had was a “long Covid” attack, even though, as is clear from the text, it isn’t even certain that she ever had Covid in the first place. On MedRxiv, there is a pre-print awaiting peer review of a prospective cohort study that followed 4,182 people with positive PCR tests for Covid over the course of a few months, to see what symptoms they had, and how quickly they recovered.3 Participants reported their symptoms in a phone based app. So, how fast did people recover from Covid?
86% had completely recovered within four weeks. At the eight week mark, that number had increased to 95% and by twelve weeks 98% said that they had recovered fully. So, if we assume that this study was reasonably accurate, then only one in 50 people who get Covid still have symptoms at the twelve week point.
Unfortunately the study didn’t go on longer than that – it would have been interesting to see how many still felt they had symptoms at the six month mark, to really get an estimate of what the prevalence of long Covid is. The most common symptoms in people with long Covid (defined in the study as still having symptoms after four weeks) were fatigue (98%) and intermittent headache (91%). These are both extremely unspecific symptoms, i.e. there is nothing about them that is specific for Covid. In fact, they’re some of the most commonly reported symptoms for post-viral syndrome, suggesting that long Covid and post-viral syndrome are to a large extent one and the same.
What can we conclude from this study?
First, long Covid is rare.
Around one in fifty people still have symptoms at the twelve week mark, and since the number with symptoms dropped significantly at one, two, and three months, it is likely that the reduction continues after twelve weeks, and that it is a tiny fraction that still has symptoms at six months.
Apart from that, symptoms of long Covid are extremely unspecific, so it is probable that long Covid is actually a whole bunch of different things, of which I would think post-viral syndrome is likely a significant part. Considering the media fear-mongering going on during virtually all of 2020, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the so called long Covid cases are actually suffering from an anxiety disorder that has been exacerbated by the media response to the virus.
I’m going to finish by discussing another pre-print currently up on medRxiv. This was another cohort study in which 201 individuals with continuing symptoms four months after being infected with Covid underwent an MRI of the chest and abdomen to see if there were any signs of organ impairment.4 Now, this study has so many problems that I seriously debated with myself whether to bother writing about it, but for the sake of completeness I decided in favor, especially since it is the only study so far that could be claimed to provide hard evidence for long Covid as a distinct entity. If nothing else, it will provide a good education in how to use the mantle of “science” to manipulate people so that you can sell more product. The study was funded by the National Consortium of Intelligent Medical Imaging (NCIMI), which sounds very progressive and nice. This organization is of course in turn funded by multiple companies involved in producing MRI machines, such as General Electric, Alliance Medical, and Perspectum. As it happens, one of the authors of the paper is the CEO of Perspectum. I’m sure you can see where I am going with this. The study was run by people with a strong financial interest in getting hospitals to increase their use of MRI machines. What better way to do that than to “find” a bunch of damaged organs, which no-one would have ever known about if not for MRI? Ok, so, what they did was this.
They gathered 201 patients who had been diagnosed with Covid, either through a positive PCR test, or a positive antibody test, or by having two clinicians independently decide that they had Covid, and who still had symptoms at four months. The average age of the participants was 44 years. The researchers then shoved the patients (metaphorically, not literally) into an MRI scanner, and scanned their lungs, heart, liver, kidneys, pancreas, and spleen. They then analyzed the images, and compared them with standardized “healthy” reference values. What did they find? 32% of participants had signs of impaired heart function. 33% had signs of impaired lung function. 12% had signs of impaired kidney function. 10% had signs of impaired liver function. 17% had signs of impaired pancreas function. And 6% had signs of impaired spleen function. Overall, 66% of participants had signs of organ dysfunction in at least one organ.
That sounds pretty awful. So what is the catch? The catch is that they didn’t compare the patients to a control group. This is a standard trick when you want to make something seem really bad, since readers will naturally assume that if there had been a control group then 0% in the control group would have had signs of impaired organ function. And 32% with signs of a heart disorder on MRI is a lot more than 0%.
However, that is actually extremely unlikely. For all we know, more people would have had signs of impaired heart function in the control group than in the long Covid group. Since this study didn’t include a control group, it doesn’t tell us anything.
The study is useless.
And, as an aside, the study found no correlation between the symptoms the patients had and the findings on MRI. So, double useless. The MRI findings were completely incidental. So, that pretty much sums it up.
There is no hard evidence to support long Covid as a distinct disease entity, and the wildly varying, non-specific, and intermittent symptom picture suggests it is actually a conglomerate diagnosis that is being used to describe a large number of different disease entities, and which is being used by politicians and the media in an attempt to scare the hell out of people.
Regardless, 98% of people with Covid have recovered fully within three months. Maybe it will turn out that long Covid is a real entity after all (distinct from post-viral syndrome, PTSD, anxiety disorder, and so on) when better research is done down the line, but we can’t just assume it based on anecdote, fear-mongering, groupthink, and low quality science.
That doesn’t benefit anyone, least of all people with other underlying health issues that are not properly investigated because it’s so easy to just blame everything on Covid.
Thanks, @siam This seems a very comprehensive explanation of what I'd gleaned. Read yours before my trite comment!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Pussy.
Do you even lift?
YESSSS! Fucken finally. It's been a long wait but worth it.
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@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Bugger. I’ve got my second shot next Thursday and a PT session straight after. 😳
AZ? Is the second shot less of an after effect anyway? You'll be sweet for the PT session anyway, just the next day that will be fun
Yep AZ. Maybe I’ll just get on the scotch on Thursday night to combat any issues.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's funny even the different reactions to the vaccine. Bonesetta was shivering and curled up on the sofa under a couple of blankets at one stage, whereas I've basically been like I had ever so slightly too much whiskey on Thursday morning which lasted until Thursday evening.
However....hit the gym Sunday/Monday and fuuuuuuck, fatigue set in big time yesterday and my muscles ache like I've done the biggest session in my life after years off.
Bugger. I’ve got my second shot next Thursday and a PT session straight after. 😳
AZ? Is the second shot less of an after effect anyway? You'll be sweet for the PT session anyway, just the next day that will be fun
Yep AZ. Maybe I’ll just get on the scotch on Thursday night to combat any issues.
A spoonful of medicine makes the symptoms go down!
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On the "Long Covid is rare" comment , from my limited understanding it depends on how you you define it - a continuation of the virus or a reaction to a virus.
There is a well-know condition called Post Viral Fatigue Syndrome which certain viruses trigger and can last for months - my GP explained it as the body not stopping the production of the goodies it uses to fight the virus once it's gone.
GPs are seeing a really big increase in the incidence of this and it increasingly Covid looks to be driving this
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