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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="545846" data-time="1449108119"><p>and one of the dead suspects is female, that's pretty damn unusual. if it was terrorist related surely we'd know by now right?</p></blockquote>
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fuuuuuck. Just made the mistake of wandering over to the Fox News facebook page. The retard level is through the roof!</p></blockquote>
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<p>Time to ban all americans from immigrating to NZ innit?<br><br>
They care nothing for gun laws and are obviously hell bent at destroying innocent lives and families whenever they get a little annoyed at something<br><br>
Frankly its not worth the risk of having a mass shooting</p>
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<p>Lets not go off half-cocked. We know very little so far.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4'>http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Multiple sources from multiple agencies identified one of the three attackers at the resource center to NBC News as Syed Farook. No other information was available, but a knowledgeable source said another member of the trio is believed to be Farook's brother.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tim" data-cid="545852" data-time="1449110679"><p>Lets not go off half-cocked. We know very little so far.<br>
<br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4">http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4</a></p></blockquote>
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Reports in of a possible shooting in Thailand , authorities haven't released many details but it appears the only victim is the gun an himself who may have shot himself in the foot. We will confirm as the information come to hand. -
<p>Yeah, let's not go off half-cocked as those shooters with funny sounding names could be foreign nutters and not domestic nutters.</p>
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<p><u>NEW York Times reported</u> that investigators believe that one of the gunmen had worked at the facility and recently had a dispute with fellow employees, according to law enforcement officials.</p>
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<p>A dispute at a holiday gathering at a local government centre may have sparked the mass shooting in California, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html'>the LA Times has reported</a>.</p>
<p>A unnamed senior federal officer told the Times that authorities believed "one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions".</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="545855" data-time="1449111042"><p>Yeah, let's not go off half-cocked as those shooters with funny sounding names could be foreign nutters and not domestic nutters.<br>
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Whichever it is they most likely brought those weapons down at the local store under local regulations because they all have a right to bear arms.</p></blockquote>
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I think I mentioned it earlier on this thread, I talk Americans online and quite often the forums have a " show us your ar" thread. Some of them have five or six. Bizarre , in the gun industry they are known as barbies for men because these guys buy one or build one and then spend thousands on accessories for something that they probably never use. -
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I think I mentioned it earlier on this thread, I talk Americans online and quite often the forums have a " show us your ar" thread. Some of them have five or six. Bizarre , in the gun industry they are known as barbies for men because these guys buy one or build one and then spend thousands on accessories for something that they probably never use.</p></blockquote>
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I use spiceworks as our helpdesk, one of the queries that came up in the forums was 'How does your workplace treat conceal and carry?' I thought it was a pisstake..but no actual usa IT techs who either take weapons with thrm to work..or are whining because their workplace unfairly prohibits it which means they are in danger if sone shit went down... Aussie and Brit posters similarly shocked an incredibly alien topic to us that shows how far gone the USA is. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="545860" data-time="1449114157"><p>I use spiceworks as our helpdesk, one of the queries that came up in the forums was 'How does your workplace treat conceal and carry?' I thought it was a pisstake..but no actual usa IT techs who either take weapons with thrm to work..or are whining because their workplace unfairly prohibits it which means they are in danger if sone shit went down... Aussie and Brit posters similarly shocked an incredibly alien topic to us that shows how far gone the USA is.</p></blockquote><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="545860" data-time="1449114157"><p>I use spiceworks as our helpdesk, one of the queries that came up in the forums was 'How does your workplace treat conceal and carry?' I thought it was a pisstake..but no actual usa IT techs who either take weapons with thrm to work..or are whining because their workplace unfairly prohibits it which means they are in danger if sone shit went down... Aussie and Brit posters similarly shocked an incredibly alien topic to us that shows how far gone the USA is.</p></blockquote>
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The concealed carry thing is a bit embarrassing when they show pics of their new holster and they are a pot bellied Hank Hill clone.<br><br>
Background to thd possible shooter, a " very religious Muslim" who worked there.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/syed-sayeed-farouk-farook-inland-regional-center-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-gunman-name-identified-redlands-age-motive-photos-social-media-family-facebook-video-chase-shot-killed-dead/'>http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/syed-sayeed-farouk-farook-inland-regional-center-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-gunman-name-identified-redlands-age-motive-photos-social-media-family-facebook-video-chase-shot-killed-dead/</a> -
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<p>Nurse! 200 ccs of honesty and reality here stat! We've got an overdose of sanctimony and he's fading fast!<br><br>
Any word on a motive political religious or otherwise? At an unscientific guess I would have thought the odds on three nutters capable of doing this finding each other and carrying it out would be fairly remote.<br>
If the reports of them hashing bulletproof vests and other military style gear are true they might be part of some larger group.</p>
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<p>Lets not go off half-cocked. We know very little so far.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4'>http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4</a></p>
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<p>Reports in of a possible shooting in Thailand , authorities haven't released many details but it appears the only victim is the gun an himself who may have shot himself in the foot. We will confirm as the information come to hand.</p>
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<p>Calm down it was just a satirical response to the "ban all groups who have nutters in their midst" hysteria that enveloped TSF post Paris shootings</p>
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<p>Stop taking posts (and yourselves) so seriously - NOBODY on here has the facts or solutions, just a pub full of opinions (arseholes?)</p>
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<p>Christ I had to explain a ridiculous notion of banning yanks? Really? :think:</p> -
The people who want concealed carry fall into one of two camps:<br><br>
- likely to piss themselves and miss their target - range practice cardboard cut outs don't fire back after all, especially full auto 7.62mm<br><br>
- likely to use their gun(s) on themselves or their family due to anger, depression, etc.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="545864" data-time="1449115620"><p>Calm down it was just a satirical response to the "ban all groups who have nutters in their midst" hysteria that enveloped TSF post Paris shootings<br>
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Stop taking posts (and yourselves) so seriously - NOBODY on here has the facts or solutions, just a pub full of opinions (arseholes?)<br>
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Christ I had to explain a ridiculous notion of banning yanks? Really? :think:</p></blockquote>
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Um stop taking posts so seriously ? Two days ago after you read one of my posts you told me to " get fucked you sanctimonious prick"<br>
I didn't actually take that very seriously either to be honest , but I thought in light of your post about Americans I'd take the opportunity to give you a bit of mocking .<br><br>
Anyway we agree on something , their attitude to guns is fucked . These shootings happen so often now you can almost script what happens, nutter shoots people , is either killed at the scene or shot soon afterwards , press find out the was a few warning signs they shouldn't have had access to firearms , president gives speech condemning the shooting and the process will repeat itself in a week or two.<br><br>
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<p>As I'm not going to look myself care to elaborate? Assuming it's all "we need more guns"?</p>
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<p>a LOT of Obama "jokes" about him being girl, a pussy, gay etc </p>
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<p>Pot shots at "liberals" and their calls for gun control</p>
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<p>A couple of comments aimed at California for having stricter controls than most states, and yet this still happened.</p>
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<p>Just the usual ignorance really, head in the sand stuff about gun control not solving anything. I saw one woman who responded to a mate of mine who has dared to dip his toe in, asking him to be truthful about the number of civilians killed by the governments of gun-control countries after the guns were taken away. </p> -
<p>It's double-barreled though.</p>
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<p>You have a country with a health system that seems to fail those most in need, because they can't afford it, and therefore there are mentally ill people not getting the care that they need. This same country also has an absolute fuck-load of readily available firearms, of all shapes and sizes. That's like keeping your petrol canisters next to your fire pit. </p> -
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<p>a LOT of Obama "jokes" about him being girl, a pussy, gay etc </p>
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<p>Pot shots at "liberals" and their calls for gun control</p>
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<p>A couple of comments aimed at California for having stricter controls than most states, and yet this still happened.</p>
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<p>Just the usual ignorance really, head in the sand stuff about gun control not solving anything. I saw one woman who responded to a mate of mine who has dared to dip his toe in, asking him to be truthful about the number of civilians killed by the governments of gun-control countries after the guns were taken away. </p>
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<p>Similar fucktards in NZ <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/12/san-bernadino-shooting-14-dead-2-shooters-dead-1-person-detained-motive-unknown/#more-221189'>http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/12/san-bernadino-shooting-14-dead-2-shooters-dead-1-person-detained-motive-unknown/#more-221189</a></p> -
<p>wow</p>
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<p>Um stop taking posts so seriously ? Two days ago after you read one of my posts you told me to " get fucked you sanctimonious prick"<br>
I didn't actually take that very seriously either to be honest , but I thought in light of your post about Americans I'd take the opportunity to give you a bit of mocking .<br><br>
Anyway we agree on something , their attitude to guns is fucked . These shootings happen so often now you can almost script what happens, nutter shoots people , is either killed at the scene or shot soon afterwards , press find out the was a few warning signs they shouldn't have had access to firearms , president gives speech condemning the shooting and the process will repeat itself in a week or two.<br><br>
The only thing new in this one is it may have involved three shooters.</p>
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<p>If you talk to people in a pub like this: <strong>If sanctimony is all you have get back to me when you have something a bit more concrete to add to the debate.</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Then don't be surprised if people tell you to get fucked. I didn't realise you owned the thread.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">No worries though mate, It's of no consequence really and please have the right of reply and we'll leave it there.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Agree that the gun situation and rhetoric from USA "leaders" is baffling. Actually, having grown up with the American empire, they really have lost a lot of relevance in the world and all too often are in the news stories about innocent people being killed by American hands and weapons </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Not that impressive, the ol' US of A in 2015</span></span></p> -
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<p>If you talk to people in a pub like this: <strong>If sanctimony is all you have get back to me when you have something a bit more concrete to add to the debate.</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Then don't be surprised if people tell you to get fucked. I didn't realise you owned the thread.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">No worries though mate, It's of no consequence really and <strong>please have the right of reply</strong> and we'll leave it there.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Agree that the gun situation and rhetoric from USA "leaders" is baffling. Actually, having grown up with the American empire, they really have lost a lot of relevance in the world and all too often are in the news stories about innocent people being killed by American hands and weapons </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:14px;">Not that impressive, the ol' US of A in 2015</span></span></p>
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<p>Nah its cool.</p>
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<p>Here's one of the forums I mentioned, these are grown men discussing what sort of pistol they like to carry around with them as they go about their daily business. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/what-ccw-gun-do-you-carry.602038/'>http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/what-ccw-gun-do-you-carry.602038/</a></p>
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<p>For example</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(20,20,20);font-family:verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">"I carry a Glock 42 90% of the, with a spare mag. It's very easy to conceal during the summer months in SoCal and shoots very well in my hands. I also have a HK45c on my permit, but these are both off roster. </span><br><br><span style="color:rgb(20,20,20);font-family:verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">My third spot is a G30sf which I plan to replace with a more compact option in 9mm."</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(20,20,20);font-family:verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px;">Or, defend your home with a shotgun or pistol?</span><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/home-defense-question.572584/'>http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/home-defense-question.572584/</a></p>
Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?