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@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Tim said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Tim
Why? I am not interested in a discussion on how good a site they have, or how many rubbish articles they have.So you don't find yourself defending an op-ed from one of the kookiest christian nutcase sites on the internet.
Didn't he break the story that President Obama is building a SW style death star?
He broke the news there was a petition to build a Death Star, he managed to turn it into a story asking if Obama was planning to build a Death Star .
Unfortunately he's not.
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@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
@canefan said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Tim said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Tim
Why? I am not interested in a discussion on how good a site they have, or how many rubbish articles they have.So you don't find yourself defending an op-ed from one of the kookiest christian nutcase sites on the internet.
Didn't he break the story that President Obama is building a SW style death star?
He broke the news there was a petition to build a Death Star, he managed to turn it into a story asking if Obama was planning to build a Death Star .
Unfortunately he's not.
Enough said about him then
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
No apparently not according to you lot. he is a bullshit talker, therefore anything he says is dismissed out of hand..
Kind of my point.
And kind of my point is that if it's vaguely sensible then it won't be the only place you see it... or in the case of basic maths equations, you know that it's true already...
Plenty of people on TSF seem to be able to enjoy their rugby, cricket, and rugby league while (so they say...) dismissing out of hand and refusing to read anything from Chris Rattue, or Stephen Jones, and they seem no less informed in their views...
With so many sources out there (and so many other things to do in life), why waste time on places that experience tells you are almost entirely bullshit? Open mindedness is a virtue, but has limits in terms of time, energy, past experience, and better things to do...
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@Donsteppa said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
No apparently not according to you lot. he is a bullshit talker, therefore anything he says is dismissed out of hand..
Kind of my point.
And kind of my point is that if it's vaguely sensible then it won't be the only place you see it... or in the case of basic maths equations, you know that it's true already...
Plenty of people on TSF seem to be able to enjoy their rugby, cricket, and rugby league while (so they say...) dismissing out of hand and refusing to read anything from Chris Rattue, or Stephen Jones, and they seem no less informed in their views...
With so many sources out there (and so many other things to do in life), why waste time on places that experience tells you are almost entirely bullshit? Open mindedness is a virtue, but has limits in terms of time, energy, past experience, and better things to do...
You have moved the goal posts. I wasn't arguing people should spend time on it. I dont bother reading Rattue, Reason or Jones. But I dont assume everything they write is wrong.
I wasnt arguing that people should read the article, or agree with it. I am saying to dismiss a specific article base down nothing more than who wrote it should is a logical fallacy.... and leads to every article being critiqued by that -
The Boris two-way: Why Trump will win and why he will lose
Quite an interesting article, with both arguments being pretty convincing depending on what you want to believe.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Donsteppa said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
No apparently not according to you lot. he is a bullshit talker, therefore anything he says is dismissed out of hand..
Kind of my point.
And kind of my point is that if it's vaguely sensible then it won't be the only place you see it... or in the case of basic maths equations, you know that it's true already...
Plenty of people on TSF seem to be able to enjoy their rugby, cricket, and rugby league while (so they say...) dismissing out of hand and refusing to read anything from Chris Rattue, or Stephen Jones, and they seem no less informed in their views...
With so many sources out there (and so many other things to do in life), why waste time on places that experience tells you are almost entirely bullshit? Open mindedness is a virtue, but has limits in terms of time, energy, past experience, and better things to do...
You have moved the goal posts. I wasn't arguing people should spend time on it. I dont bother reading Rattue, Reason or Jones. But I dont assume everything they write is wrong.
I wasnt arguing that people should read the article, or agree with it. I am saying to dismiss a specific article base down nothing more than who wrote it should is a logical fallacy.... and leads to every article being critiqued by thatSome websites are just so far down the drain that I have no interest in contributing to their user count or online revenue. And when their stopped clock is indeed right twice a day, someone else will (either now or eventually) have similar sentiments and they can have my click instead.
If I occasionally get it wrong through dismissing something completely out of hand on Brietbart, the depression inducing Guardian, or that crackpot website above - on the whole I reckon my worldview won't fall to bits.
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Fair call on the crackpot website I linked to.
I just googled mainstream media bias on Trump and that came up.
I think my point still stands - the mainstream media in terms of TV and newspapers is strongly pro-Clinton, and moreover, completely unable to give Trump any due. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Donsteppa said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
No apparently not according to you lot. he is a bullshit talker, therefore anything he says is dismissed out of hand..
Kind of my point.
And kind of my point is that if it's vaguely sensible then it won't be the only place you see it... or in the case of basic maths equations, you know that it's true already...
Plenty of people on TSF seem to be able to enjoy their rugby, cricket, and rugby league while (so they say...) dismissing out of hand and refusing to read anything from Chris Rattue, or Stephen Jones, and they seem no less informed in their views...
With so many sources out there (and so many other things to do in life), why waste time on places that experience tells you are almost entirely bullshit? Open mindedness is a virtue, but has limits in terms of time, energy, past experience, and better things to do...
You have moved the goal posts. I wasn't arguing people should spend time on it. I dont bother reading Rattue, Reason or Jones. But I dont assume everything they write is wrong.
I wasnt arguing that people should read the article, or agree with it. I am saying to dismiss a specific article base down nothing more than who wrote it should is a logical fallacy.... and leads to every article being critiqued by thatWhile I agree with your point about an inability to judge the logic of the article because of its source, ethos is a major principle underlying rhetoric, and clearly that source has very little. That's essentially @Donsteppa and @Tim 's arguments (from my reading of them at least) and I think it's still valuable and valid to question the source of information accordingly.
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This election is so bizarre that I found myself fact checking the BBC (who yes, some of you trust less than I do).
Surely, surely this ticker that Trump wants testing for performance enhancing drugs prior to the next Presidential debate has to be the BBC being pranked.
Oh...
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@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
Fair call on the crackpot website I linked to.
I just googled mainstream media bias on Trump and that came up.
I think my point still stands - the mainstream media in terms of TV and newspapers is strongly pro-Clinton, and moreover, completely unable to give Trump any due.I wonder the extent to which mainstream media bias will matter in the future if we continue to go down the path noted by gollum where Facebook filters out the stuff we don't like anyway... a path Fox News and MSNBC etc have already taken us a fair way down.
In an NZ content, the best comment I've heard recently from anyone about NZ Herald or Stuff recently was "Stuff is rubbish, but is so easy to navigate". Mainstream media is slowly circling the drain...
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@Donsteppa said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
Fair call on the crackpot website I linked to.
I just googled mainstream media bias on Trump and that came up.
I think my point still stands - the mainstream media in terms of TV and newspapers is strongly pro-Clinton, and moreover, completely unable to give Trump any due.I wonder the extent to which mainstream media bias will matter in the future if we continue to go down the path noted by gollum where Facebook filters out the stuff we don't like anyway... a path Fox News and MSNBC etc have already taken us a fair way down.
In an NZ content, the best comment I've heard recently from anyone about NZ Herald or Stuff recently was "Stuff is rubbish, but is so easy to navigate". Mainstream media is slowly circling the drain...
Its going down the path of google having to add fact checking features to search, mainly as journalists have given up doing that
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@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
Fair call on the crackpot website I linked to.
I just googled mainstream media bias on Trump and that came up.
I think my point still stands - the mainstream media in terms of TV and newspapers is strongly pro-Clinton, and moreover, completely unable to give Trump any due.If you had of said that pretty much every one would have agreed with you . Early on he gave a speech about obamacare and how the insurance companies were protected from real competition by a 70 year old act of congress . He was aware of this because he spends millions insuring his properties , at the time I thought he might actually offer a credible alternative but instead his campaign had turned into a circus and he bares a fair bit of responsibility for that himself .
We saw the same here with Kim Dotcom, the media turned on him partly because he's a fat sack of shit and partly because a dodgy fat German billionaire hacker is a great source of loads of negative clickbait articles.
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@NTA said in US Election Thread 2016:
Decoded: "I have a thin skin and don't like it when people make fun of me even though I really handed them the gun and ammunition. With hindsight I should probably have told my advisory team that I had given some interviews in the past that might be difficult to explain. Oh, and when I'm not President I will use my firsthand experience of all the unfair and biased media to provide my fans with a never ending diet of shameless conspiracy theories and populist nihilism through my new venture TrumpMedia. It'll be chuge and have the greatest things, and have all the words. I have a big penis. The biggest. Women have respect for it."
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@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
@NTA said in US Election Thread 2016:
To be fair Saturday night live does seem to suck a fair bit.
Baldwin nailed his portrayal of Trump.
Also in the news from Wikileaks, Politico's Glenn Thrush looking a little partisan..
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