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@Frank said in US Politics:
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Seems to be hard to find.
Perhaps they should go with partisan guys but label it as such. So one with Hannity and one with Maddow.
Perhaps the candidates have questions for one another.
No idea really.shows you how messed up everything is, everything is so intertwined.
I might be wrong but i have met very few people in NZ as "registered party members", plenty that lean one way rather than the other of course but lots at least willing to listen to "the other side"
how so many in the US will just vote for their part regardless of current policy or whos running is amazing
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The establishment media is mostly rotten now. But there are a few exceptions
Editor's Note: This article is adapted from Tucker Carlson's opening commentary on the Oct. 14, 2020 edition of "Tucker Carlson Tonight." Most of us never imagined it could happen in this country, and yet Wednesday, it did happen. A major American newspaper published a story, apparently an entirely accurate story, about a presidential candidate. The tech monopolies that control American media feared this story might hurt that candidate, whom they favor. So three weeks before a national election, they shut the whole thing down. They prevented the public from reading the news. They didn't apologize for doing this. They didn't bother to make up reasonable-sounding justifications for it. They just did it, exactly as the Chinese government does. These are monopolies. They have all the power, you have none. They don't have to care about what you think and they don't. This was mass censorship on a scale that America has never experienced in 245 years, and it's a threat to all of us. Democracies only function when there is a free exchange of information between citizens. We no longer have that. TWITTER CEO SAYS COMPANY BOTCHED BLOCKING NY POST HUNTER BIDEN REPORT This is a dark moment. Here are the details: Wednesday morning, the New York Post published a series of emails that describe Hunter Biden's lucrative relationship with a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma, and then describe how his father, then the vice president of the United States, intervened to help his son peddle influence. Now, we've known the outlines of this story for quite some time. But these emails add damning detail. No one appears to dispute that they're real, not even the Joe Biden campaign. There are whispers that it's all part of a Russian disinformation campaign. If this is a hoax, it is the most complex, sophisticated hoax ever perpetrated. It doesn't seem possible. There's too much detail.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
I might be wrong but i have met very few people in NZ as "registered party members"
Mostly because of states with closed primaries.
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@Winger ...didn't Fox's own lawyer argue he shouldn't be taken seriously?
She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
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@Virgil Oh I agree it is 'probably' true. But you missed my point.
Twitter and Facebook are openly censoring a news story about high level corruption from a presidential candidate, a story that has emails, photos, a receipt and non-anonymous sources. This story is being censored bother from public and private posts.
Yet a story on the same day with sources that are not only 'anonymous' but bizarrely also have no knowledge of what was apparently said ..well that story is fine to be released. Perhaps the New York Post should have dropped all of the evidence and just paid a psychic to inform the world that Biden is corrupt..at least then you will be 'allowed' to discuss and share it.
I'm glad to see plenty of devout lefties whom I disagree on almost everything see just how incredibly dangerous this precedent is.
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I've been reading a bunch of stuff about how easy it is to actually verify these emails, and if they are genuine then why is it 'alleged' and screenshots (from x, y, z sources) of content rather than share the metadata and absolutely pin it to him 100%? This blog was pretty interesting in terms of how easily they should have been able to ID the emails.
Whether this is true or not it's pretty clear Hunter is a douche and Giuliani has been on a mission to land dirt on him. Fun times!ps would welcome the take of our more IT savvy ferners about how hard/easy it should have been to verify those emails.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Siam I think trump jnr and Jared are plenty personally! Hopefully Baron can buck the trend.
Eric?
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Biden is relying on his media allies to suppress this story.
At no point has the campaign denied that these emails are false.Sources told Fox News that "the big guy" is a reference to the former vice president. The New York Post initially published the emails and other controversial messages that Fox News has also obtained.
The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.
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Maybe they aren't bothering to give it more oxygen this close to the election? Again it's all 'sources' say X, Y, Z. Where are the full emails rather than the snippets being shared? If it's such a smoking gun that would blow any denial out of the water.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Maybe they aren't bothering to give it more oxygen this close to the election? Again it's all 'sources' say X, Y, Z. Where are the full emails rather than the snippets being shared? If it's such a smoking gun that would blow any denial out of the water.
I guess because its not. A smoking gun.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Maybe they aren't bothering to give it more oxygen this close to the election? Again it's all 'sources' say X, Y, Z. Where are the full emails rather than the snippets being shared? If it's such a smoking gun that would blow any denial out of the water.
I guess because its not. A smoking gun.
I m still struggling to see the revelations. We know Hunter got well paid jobs more through who he was rather than his abilities. No difference to the Trump/Kushner clan there. We also know that he has used his connections to further himself. Again no difference.
We know he had/ has a drug problem. Not hidden.
The Ukraine prosecutor stuff has been well investigated even by the republicans and although the visuals aren’t great Joe was actually asked by other parties to sort it out, not Hunter or Burisma. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Maybe they aren't bothering to give it more oxygen this close to the election? Again it's all 'sources' say X, Y, Z. Where are the full emails rather than the snippets being shared? If it's such a smoking gun that would blow any denial out of the water.
I guess because its not. A smoking gun.
I m still struggling to see the revelations. We know Hunter got well paid jobs more through who he was rather than his abilities. No difference to the Trump/Kushner clan there. We also know that he has used his connections to further himself. Again no difference.
We know he had/ has a drug problem. Not hidden.
The Ukraine prosecutor stuff has been well investigated even by the republicans and although the visuals aren’t great Joe was actually asked by other parties to sort it out, not Hunter or Burisma.Its very different to Trump. The Trump allegations are weak. And various full on investigations found nothing
And the visuals are awful for Biden. He been protected by a corrupt news media but its not providing the protection it once did. Biden's under real pressure now. And just accusing others (like Trump) for what he has been doing might not work anymore.
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@Winger the visuals to who? Increase the degree of dislike for those that already don't like him? At this point the case is big on potential scandal but not 100% confirmed. If it's as cut and dried as claimed then show the proof. To use your language this comes across as weak.
There should be no difference in the requirements for evidence/proof for anyone. I wonder if similar info came out about a Trump family member you'd hold the same position on their supposed guilt.
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