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<p>Peter Dunne wants a referendum on becoming a republic now. I couldn't really care less is we are to be honest, I did want our own flag though. </p>
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<p>Peter Dunne is a complete idiot. If people thought the flag referendum was a waste of money, one on becoming a republic would be so about a thousand times more.</p> -
<p>Dunne on becoming a republic <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11610659'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11610659</a></p>
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<p>The only thing that makes me want to see this is watching leftards tie themselves in knots arguing against becoming a republic like they did with the flag.</p> -
TR - you could troll a few lefties by pointing out that more people voted for the Lockwood flag then for Labour in the last 3 elections.
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But as Nepia said, it wasn't just lefties voting no. At the end of the day the design just didn't capture enough people. Possibly because it was exactly the same flag but with a Silver Fern slapped over the Union Jack, so it still held on to the blue and red colours which are not particularly representative of NZ.<br><br>
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<p>Leftards are the ones that voted not because they wanted to keep the old one or didn't like the new option but because they wanted to give John Key a bloody nose. If you didn't vote for change for anything other than the first two reasons you're a childish wankstain, </p>
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<p>You realise lots of lefttards actually voted for those two reasons? You go a bit overboard sometimes.</p> -
<p>I mean plenty of 'right tards' turned around and voted for change when they are meant to be from conservative areas. I think if Clarke proposed a flag change riht wing people would do the same thing. It is disappointing but it's not just one side of the political spectrum.</p>
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<p>You realise lots of lefttards actually voted for those two reasons? You go a bit overboard sometimes.</p>
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<p>Of course I know leftards would have voted for those reasons, how many people on the right voted do you think voted to keep the flag to piss off John Key? If there were any it would be a tiny fraction of the number of leftards like Grouch and Don who are busily thrashwanking themselves over the result on pr.</p>
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<p>I don't see how thats going overboard pointing out they were childish fools, Grouch and Don are living proof of that.</p> -
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<p>I mean plenty of 'right tards' turned around and voted for change when they are meant to be from conservative areas. I think if Clarke proposed a flag change riht wing people would do the same thing. It is disappointing but it's not just one side of the political spectrum.</p>
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<p>Changing the flag was a Labour policy last election, I'd expect more people from the left would support change than from the right. </p> -
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<p>Of course I know leftards would have voted for those reasons, how many people on the right voted do you think voted to keep the flag to piss off John Key? If there were any it would be a tiny fraction of the number of leftards like Grouch and Don who are busily thrashwanking themselves over the result on pr.</p>
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<p>I don't see how thats going overboard pointing out they were childish fools, Grouch and Don are living proof of that.</p>
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<p>I agree with you on Grouch and Don, I just think you overestimate the numbers of Grouch's and Don's in this world.</p> -
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<p>I mean plenty of 'right tards' turned around and voted for change when they are meant to be from conservative areas. I think if Clarke proposed a flag change riht wing people would do the same thing. It is disappointing but it's not just one side of the political spectrum.</p>
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<p>The only way to get a fair fight would be for Key to have got everyone on board. I don't know whether he tried or not, or whether it was a vanity project from the start, but make the offer and let them be seen to be the party poopers</p> -
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<p>I agree with you on Grouch and Don, I just think you overestimate the numbers of Grouch's and Don's in this world.</p>
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<p>Judging by the last election they make up about 10% of the voting population, I've said before plenty of times I think they are incredibly vocal online all out of porportion with their actual numbers. As I mentioned on the previous page I had a tedious 30 minute lecture from a Don/Grouch type today, if he hadn't been a building inspector I would have given him the excoriating explanation of his failings as a human being he deserved for buying into such drivel.</p> -
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<p>Changing the flag was a Labour policy last election, I'd expect more people from the left would support change than from the right. </p>
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<p>They didn't vote against it because they didn't like the idea, they voted because they didn't like that it was John Key's idea and they can't stand the thought of being seen to kow tow to the guy who's pumped them three elections running and will probably for a fourth if he doesn't do a "Bangladesh"</p> -
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<p>They didn't vote against it because they didn't like the idea, they voted because they didn't like that it was John Key's idea and they can't stand the thought of being seen to kow tow to the guy who's pumped them three elections running and will probably for a fourth if he doesn't do a "Bangladesh"</p>
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<p>Exactly, he could have done a better job of reaching out to them from the start. If he can make Cullen head on nzpost and in charge of the GCSB inquiry he could have got someone from Labours past to be the face of it and not make himself the focus.</p> -
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<p>Exactly, he could have done a better job of reaching out to them from the start. If he can make Cullen head on nzpost and in charge of the GCSB inquiry he could have got someone from Labours past to be the face of it and not make himself the focus.</p>
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<p>He's starting to make more questionable decisions. Pre-4th term malaise/arrogance?</p> -
<p>A victory for the narrow-minded, shouty social media soapbox types. So disappointed. <br><br><span style="color:#1f497d;"><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">So we are stuck with another country’s flag on our flag, which also looks like the flag of the country we most often get mistaken for. Good times.</span></span></span></p>
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<p>He's starting to make more questionable decisions. Pre-4th term malaise/arrogance?</p>
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<p>Yeah probably , I don't think the next ones a done deal even though Labour are a shambles. I wonder if one of them is going to try and get rid of Dunne next time? </p> -
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<p>Yeah probably , I don't think the next ones a done deal even though Labour are a shambles. I wonder if one of them is going to try and get rid of Dunne next time? </p>
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<p>I think their majority won't grow like previous elections. They will need to cultivate coalition partners and hope the electorate will hate them less than the prospect of comrade Turei having undue power on the treasury benches</p> -
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<p>A victory for the narrow-minded, shouty social media soapbox types. So disappointed. <br><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);"><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">So we are stuck with another country’s flag on our flag, which also looks like the flag of the country we most often get mistaken for. Good times.</span></span></span></p>
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<p>Settle down. I was one of the 10 above who voted to keep the flag. It wasn't because I hate the Evil Emperor Key Hitler or wanted the <strike>vexilogo</strike> flag experts involved. I voted that way because I respect the traditions of the current flag and was not happy with the alternatives offered. I would have gladly voted for a (good) silver fern on black ala the Allblacks. I honestly couldn't give a shit if people mistake the flags. Most people probably couldn't even locate NZ on a map.</p> -
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<p>Settle down. I was one of the 10 above who voted to keep the flag. It wasn't because I hate the Evil Emperor Key Hitler or wanted the <strike>vexilogo</strike> flag experts involved. I voted that way because I respect the traditions of the current flag and was not happy with the alternatives offered. I would have gladly voted for a (good) silver fern on black ala the Allblacks. I honestly couldn't give a shit if people mistake the flags. Most people probably couldn't even locate NZ on a map.</p>
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Fair enough, I was probably getting a bit soap-boxy myself there. Totally on board with voting for the status quo for your reasons above, just seemed like most focused on the wrong issues.</p>
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<p>The ratio of people criticising the process to people suggesting an improved process was pretty poor throughout.</p> -
I have no interest in becoming a republic. <br><br>
Would have liked a new flag. <br><br>
Will go back to my default of not being seen near a NZ flag and see how things pan out. <br><br>
Don't think the politicians will touch this with a barge poll. It would need to be citizens-driven. Pigs might fly.
