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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew They don't seem to be very Liberal..and they seem to be against Democracy too...To be fair Labour doesn't seem to be in favour of the British working class and the Conservatives don't seem to be interested in conserving things..so I guess they are all just words.
Like "People's Democratic Republic of <insert shithole>"...
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The Lib Dems have an ongoing credibility problem arising from their time in coalition with the Tories. Rightly or wrongly they are seen as having broken a raft of promises that they made in their 2010 manifesto that, realistically, they were never going to be able to deliver. The fact is they were never ready to govern and got caught on the hop. The austerity measures the Tories have been following meant that they were always going to be embarrassed by the promises they made once they found out there was no money to do anything.
The National Union of Students got them to sign up to a publicity stunt pledge of no uni fees, but once they got elected only about half of the Lib Dem MPs voted against it, so they got tagged as self interested liars. They campaigned trying to embarrass the Tories about the increase in VAT from 15 to 17.5%, but then were part of the government that lifted it to 20%. House of Lords reform? Hijacked by the Tories and Labour. Higher police numbers? They actually dropped.
Unfortunately for them they became the lightning rod for everything negative the Tories did, and Clegg didn't have the political nous to fight the perception effectively, or the gravitas to sell the pragmatism angle. Since he left the replacement leaders have, if anything, been worse than him. They are doing well to poll where they are IMO
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@JC said in British Politics:
The Lib Dems have an ongoing credibility problem arising from their time in coalition with the Tories. Rightly or wrongly they are seen as having broken a raft of promises that they made in their 2010 manifesto that, realistically, they were never going to be able to deliver. The fact is they were never ready to govern and got caught on the hop. The austerity measures the Tories have been following meant that they were always going to be embarrassed by the promises they made once they found out there was no money to do anything.
The National Union of Students got them to sign up to a publicity stunt pledge of no uni fees, but once they got elected only about half of the Lib Dem MPs voted against it, so they got tagged as self interested liars. They campaigned trying to embarrass the Tories about the increase in VAT from 15 to 17.5%, but then were part of the government that lifted it to 20%. House of Lords reform? Hijacked by the Tories and Labour. Higher police numbers? They actually dropped.
Unfortunately for them they became the lightning rod for everything negative the Tories did, and Clegg didn't have the political nous to fight the perception effectively, or the gravitas to sell the pragmatism angle. Since he left the replacement leaders have, if anything, been worse than him. They are doing well to poll where they are IMO
Spot on.
I used to vote for them. No longer.
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So, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to plant 2 Billion new trees by 2040.
This means planting roughly 100 million trees a year.
2 million a week.
300 thousand a day.
12,400 an hour, 24hrs a day.
200 every single minute for 20 years.
Let the absurdity of that sink in.
Boris may as well come out and say he'll do 3 billion.
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@TeWaio said in British Politics:
So, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to plant 2 Billion new trees by 2040.
This means planting roughly 100 million trees a year.
2 million a week.
300 thousand a day.
12,400 an hour, 24hrs a day.
200 every single minute for 20 years.
Let the absurdity of that sink in.
Boris may as well come out and say he'll do 3 billion.
He also promised he’d build thousands of houses too . The Jassiah promised 10000 houses a year , they’ve built 300 the tree planting is going as well as the house building,
Still I urge you all to vote for Corbyn, it’ll be different this time I swear .
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@TeWaio said in British Politics:
So, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to plant 2 Billion new trees by 2040.
This means planting roughly 100 million trees a year.
2 million a week.
300 thousand a day.
12,400 an hour, 24hrs a day.
200 every single minute for 20 years.
Let the absurdity of that sink in.
Boris may as well come out and say he'll do 3 billion.
Well played.
It's moronic shit like this which will cost Labour the election.
And they'll have no-one to blame but themselves.
I'd love to know who's job it was to do the rudimentary calculation you presented.
And then who gave the OK.
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I heard an excruciating interview with a party spokesman on their policy of free childcare and how they were going to fund the £14Bn a year cost by increasing Corporation tax by 15% (from 19% to 23%)
He was unable to answer how a 15% rise in CT would raise the £14Bn a year needed when the total Corporation tax take is c. £45Bn a year....
How do they let these morons anywhere near an interview let alone the levers of power?
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@TeWaio said in British Politics:
Boris may as well come out and say he'll do 3 billion.
The Tories kept telling us HS2 would be completed for:
2010 - £8.7Bn
2011 - £13Bn
2012 - £18.4Bn
2013 - £23Bn
2014 - £32.6Bn
2015 - £34Bn (Fully costed & final total)
2016 - £52.7Bn
2017 - £58Bn
2018 - £63Bn
2018 - £89BnStill, it's only taxpayers money...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
Boris may as well come out and say he'll do 3 billion.
The Tories kept telling us HS2 would be completed for:
2010 - £8.7Bn
2011 - £13Bn
2012 - £18.4Bn
2013 - £23Bn
2014 - £32.6Bn
2015 - £34Bn (Fully costed & final total)
2016 - £52.7Bn
2017 - £58Bn
2018 - £63Bn
2018 - £89BnStill, it's only taxpayers money...
More to do with private mismanagement than govt but those numbers reminded me of the clusterfuck of the Elizabeth Line in London.
They kept saying it was on track to deliver in 2018 almost right up to the point where it was really obvious to everyone that they were nowhere near that (like 3 months out). Then cost goes up £4billion and the opening delayed by 3 years.
Even that 2021 start isn't etched in.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
More to do with private mismanagement than govt but those numbers reminded me of the clusterfuck of the Elizabeth Line in London.
HS2 is 100% government owned and run. As is Crossrail/The Elizabeth Line. As is Network Rail (spent the budget for electrifying the entire GWR and got as far as Swindon before the money ran out)
There's a revolving door between the 3 organisations. You fuck up one project, then move onto another, fuck that up and move onto the third. When you finally get sacked for fucking things up, you get invited back as a £3,000 per day consultant paid to tell people how you fucked up.
Google Simon Kirby. Or Terry Morgan. Or David Higgins
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone know what resulted from this or how it was explained from the Labour side in 2016?
Holy fuck! I am more amazed that they created a profit in the first place!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
More to do with private mismanagement than govt but those numbers reminded me of the clusterfuck of the Elizabeth Line in London.
HS2 is 100% government owned and run. As is Crossrail/The Elizabeth Line. As is Network Rail (spent the budget for electrifying the entire GWR and got as far as Swindon before the money ran out)
There's a revolving door between the 3 organisations. You fuck up one project, then move onto another, fuck that up and move onto the third. When you finally get sacked for fucking things up, you get invited back as a £3,000 per day consultant paid to tell people how you fucked up.
Google Simon Kirby. Or Terry Morgan. Or David Higgins
Crossrail2 is lining up the gravy train to continue.
I have been living in Wimbledon so have been very aware of the C2 plans for that end of the line, which are mind boggling stupid.
I get that they want to link into all the SW Trains coming up from Surrey and taking them straight through the West End would be a luxury commute. However instead of utilising the Weir Road Depot had a mile north of Wimbledon Station as a connection (or even just moving the connection just north of the existing platforms) they want to buy swathes of property, including a whole Shopping Centre, demolish the lot, compensate the shop owners (who have nowhere to go until the redevelopment is finished after about 10 years) and add the connection alongside the already crowded and busy Wimbledon Station. Not only that, but they want to redirect the existing train line that runs through Clapham Junction to divert via Tooting Broadway or Balham and would have to create a whole new rail corridor to do so.
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It's all about the money and for politicians to be seen "investing".
A cosy little cartel where taxpayers' money is pumped into projects which experts have convinced politicians are a great thing. The rail industry (in this case) gets the taxpayers money, the politicians get the kudos with the added bonus of being seen to look tough when they sack the budget-busting head honcho - who then gets a £1m pay-off.
Did you know the senior civil servant responsible for the HS2 & Crossrail fiasco was also in charge when the Home Office fucked up immigration? He got a knighthood.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone know what resulted from this or how it was explained from the Labour side in 2016?
Could be perfectly reasonable - they could have carried over losses from up to 3 previous years to offset any profits in that year.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone know what resulted from this or how it was explained from the Labour side in 2016?
Holy fuck! I am more amazed that they created a profit in the first place!
Well, if you have Diane About doing the accounts, anything is possible.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Anyone know what resulted from this or how it was explained from the Labour side in 2016?
Holy fuck! I am more amazed that they created a profit in the first place!
Well, if you have Diane About doing the accounts, anything is possible.
Do watch this. Particularly if you need motivational ideas for head shaking or face-slapping exercises
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@Victor-Meldrew Yeah' it's excruciating isn't it? It's not just the complete bollocks that she spouts, it's also the way she hesitates over everything. Just the way she speaks must lose votes by the bucketload.
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