Rugby Brain Injuries
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow was it North who had a couple several years back and appeared he went back on after being knocked out?
The best back from the ‘Tyson Fury’ dead must be George Smith.
The authorities knew better by this point.
First off, what a tough nugget Smith was. Second off fuck you, whoever it was sanctioned him going back on.
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@canefan said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow was it North who had a couple several years back and appeared he went back on after being knocked out?
The best back from the ‘Tyson Fury’ dead must be George Smith.
Different code i know, but Dean Lonergan wins all contests about getting knocked out and playing on
Jesus
Both arms in the air like a rear gunner in a Lancastar bomber and then legs like Shakin' Stevens.
Letting him back on the park is criminal in retrospect.
He apparently never remembered a minute of the game after that, in what was a famous victory for the Kiwis. I met the man in a bar years ago, he was very gracious when I asked to shake his hand....
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@canefan surely only a matter of time before league has a similar issue?
Absolutely. Their historic penchant for shoulder charges must see them as a higher risk code for brain injuries
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What I think has been missed here is the suit is as much about the continual micro injuries from pretty much every hit/ruck/tackle etc. So the big bash concussion management is maybe not as important as the continual damage that pro players do to each other. You see all the articles which compare a full on high speed tackle to a car crash at XYZ kph, that is the real problem rugby has. In fact every contact sport.
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@Machpants said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
What I think has been missed here is the suit is as much about the continual micro injuries from pretty much every hit/ruck/tackle etc. So the big bash concussion management is maybe not as important as the continual damage that pro players do to each other.
I saw something similar in a story about NFL players - they found it wasn't the big ones that were getting guys: the continual smashing together on the scrimmage line over time was where the "floor" for CTE developed.
To me it made the argument for removing helmets and shoulder pads from NFL - remove the false sense of security.
Similarly in boxing, waaaaay back in the days when it was bareknuckle, hitting the head was often counter-productive as you'd like break a small bone in your hand. Not that having your ribs and organs smashed up was any better I guess...
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@NTA said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@Machpants said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
What I think has been missed here is the suit is as much about the continual micro injuries from pretty much every hit/ruck/tackle etc. So the big bash concussion management is maybe not as important as the continual damage that pro players do to each other.
I saw something similar in a story about NFL players - they found it wasn't the big ones that were getting guys: the continual smashing together on the scrimmage line over time was where the "floor" for CTE developed.
To me it made the argument for removing helmets and shoulder pads from NFL - remove the false sense of security.
Pads and helmets for safety is such an American solution. Especially when you see what they do with them on the field
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It's a classic case of unintended consequences where protection becomes weaponized. Boxing gloves protect the weakest part and add weight at the end of the fulcrum. Shoulder pads and helmets protect people who throw themselves at their opponent like a missile.
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow was it North who had a couple several years back and appeared he went back on after being knocked out?
I was at that game, and still remember seeing him come back on and thinking 'surely not'. And then as the play unfolded he was clearly still affected. Has stayed with me to this day.
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@antipodean said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
It's a classic case of unintended consequences where protection becomes weaponized. Boxing gloves protect the weakest part and add weight at the end of the fulcrum. Shoulder pads and helmets protect people who throw themselves at their opponent like a missile.
Watch NFL games and you realise how poor their tackling technique is. It's all head down pads down
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@barbarian said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow was it North who had a couple several years back and appeared he went back on after being knocked out?
I was at that game, and still remember seeing him come back on and thinking 'surely not'. And then as the play unfolded he was clearly still affected. Has stayed with me to this day.
it was an astoundingly poor decision
i wonder what Tatafu Polota-Nau's brain looks like?
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A bit more detail about the case etc. Didn;t realise the RPA in England was on the RFU’s books! Is that the same here? A bit weird having your union paid for by employer
Rugby warned it faces dementia 'epidemic' without immediate change
Lawyer Richard Boardman says up to 50 per cent of former professional rugby players could experience neurological problems in retirement.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@barbarian said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow was it North who had a couple several years back and appeared he went back on after being knocked out?
I was at that game, and still remember seeing him come back on and thinking 'surely not'. And then as the play unfolded he was clearly still affected. Has stayed with me to this day.
it was an astoundingly poor decision
There was so much hype about his return to the Wallabies in that game, and I just wonder if that combined with the game time (was it in the first five minutes?) contributed to a general desire to get him back out there. Am sure he was keen to get out there. But of course someone needed to sit him down, though it would have disappointed everyone there.
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IIRC Cane was having his bouts of Concussion around same time as that North incident, and may have been around a similar time and Cane walked himself off after a knock, despite no one seeing the head knock.
At the time I think NZR appeared well ahead of other nations in thier protocols, I even started a thread about it as we seemed to be getting more players suffering concussion (had been a few retirements too) than others at the time, so posed the question were we managing it better or were or players doing something to skew things.
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@NTA said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@Machpants said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
What I think has been missed here is the suit is as much about the continual micro injuries from pretty much every hit/ruck/tackle etc. So the big bash concussion management is maybe not as important as the continual damage that pro players do to each other.
I saw something similar in a story about NFL players - they found it wasn't the big ones that were getting guys: the continual smashing together on the scrimmage line over time was where the "floor" for CTE developed.
To me it made the argument for removing helmets and shoulder pads from NFL - remove the false sense of security.
Similarly in boxing, waaaaay back in the days when it was bareknuckle, hitting the head was often counter-productive as you'd like break a small bone in your hand. Not that having your ribs and organs smashed up was any better I guess...
Yeah, this is concerning part from a personal perspective.
Looking back at my playing days not long after I "retired", I reckoned I had been concussed twice, both some years apart. The latest one had me standing down from playing for a few weeks and cooked me mentally for a few months - a general sense of fogginess and greater irritability. Anyway, I finished up playing at the end of the following season, but made a small come back for a social 10s tournament overseas about 3 years later. On the plane on the way over, I watched Concussion with Will Smith, where they really emphasise the significance of the "micro" injuries from standard play. Anyway, sure enough, first tackle I make in the 10s tournament, I had this feeling of my brain swishing around in my skull, but without that black our feeling that comes with a "proper" concussion. Really made me look back at my playing "career" and realise that my total concussion number was closer to a dozen than the one or two I had thought previously.
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@Machpants said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
What I think has been missed here is the suit is as much about the continual micro injuries from pretty much every hit/ruck/tackle etc. So the big bash concussion management is maybe not as important as the continual damage that pro players do to each other. You see all the articles which compare a full on high speed tackle to a car crash at XYZ kph, that is the real problem rugby has. In fact every contact sport.
Aren't some of these guys just playing too much? Some of these players in the suit have played over 300 first class games. Their careers have been lengthened because they stick around for the money. In the amateur days, they would have just retired. Players are making a trade off with their health.
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'My decisions were my decisions, I was a lunatic on a rugby pitch' - Lewis Moody won't sue
Lewis Moody has sympathy for his ex-teammate Steve Thompson, but will not consider litigation without proof of negligence.
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@Bones said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
'My decisions were my decisions, I was a lunatic on a rugby pitch' - Lewis Moody won't sue
Lewis Moody has sympathy for his ex-teammate Steve Thompson, but will not consider litigation without proof of negligence.
Like him even more
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@MiketheSnow My favourite England player of that era. Brilliant to watch and completely dedicated.
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