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Lots of rumours tonight that the Tory rebels will back May's deal if she resigns
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@Paekakboyz said in Brexit:
@sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?
Yes. Just rumors tho.
Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.
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@MajorRage or May not as the case May be (not!).
oh dear, couldn't resist! terrible execution... which is a theme re Brexit!
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@Paekakboyz said in Brexit:
@MajorRage or May not as the case May be (not!).
oh dear, couldn't resist! terrible execution... which is a theme re Brexit!
Very good.
All starts with a Boris Johnson column this morning.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Paekakboyz said in Brexit:
@sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?
Yes. Just rumors tho.
Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.
I think they are right. I'd also be surprised if she didn't resign - because once it's through I wouldn't be surprised if she had a challenge anyway. Shit, she hasn't punished cabinet members for going against a three-line whip. She's weak and is only there because no one wants the job - now.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Paekakboyz said in Brexit:
@sparky - so they will agree to a deal they don't agree with just to get rid of her?? Am I reading that right?
Yes. Just rumors tho.
Brexiteers are thinking this may be it.
I think they are right. I'd also be surprised if she didn't resign - because once it's through I wouldn't be surprised if she had a challenge anyway. Shit, she hasn't punished cabinet members for going against a three-line whip. She's weak and is only there because no one wants the job - now.
To be honest, the deal going through, her resigning and Gove, a brexiteer, taking the reins wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
Although I still don’t buy that voting against a turd twice, with such harsh criticism, and then voting for the turd, is a good thing either
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Next act in the pantomime is Bercow (Speaker of the HoC), denying a third vote on May's deal without changes being made. Effectively stopping the likelihood of Brexit by 29th March. He has precedent to do this but also he is a known anti-Brexiteer. Conflict of interest? Much?
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Next act in the pantomime is Bercow (Speaker of the HoC), denying a third vote on May's deal without changes being made. Effectively stopping the likelihood of Brexit by 29th March. He has precedent to do this but also he is a known anti-Brexiteer. Conflict of interest? Much?
Massive. But he is right tho.
And it does make sense.
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I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
Answer to question 1: If May's deal is off the table (which it seems to be), there is no time left to conjure up another deal, so it will be either a no deal exit on the 29th (yes there was a vote against no deal but that is not a binding decision, nor is it a unilateral decision), or there will be an extension to Article 50. I can't see there being any other options given the time remaining.
Answer to question 2: No.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
The diagram halfway down this page is very good at getting across the current situation.
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@Catogrande Technically it seems the house could override the speaker by either suspending the standing orders or closing and reopening parliament (as the rule only apply during the same session of parliament). But I think she'd need a house majority to do that.
They could also unilaterally withdraw and resubmit Article 50 and restart the 2 year clock. But that would also be very unpopular.
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@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU. We haven't done a great job so far of taking back control. Even worse, each EU member has to agree. So Malta, for example, has the ability to totally fuck up our economy. (Although Malta always votes for us in Eurovision so we should be OK.)
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