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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Perhaps they have a cunning plan
I think you're on to something there. This is all turning very Blackadder.
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@Billy-Webb said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
Perhaps they have a cunning plan
I think you're on to something there. This is all turning very Blackadder.
Whereas Boris has a cumming plan.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
w.t.f?
I didn't think my opinion of Corbyn could go any lower..but there you go.
I think the most important thing in British politics now is no longer Brexit but to keep this loon out of the government.
Long been the view the City, that.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
w.t.f?
I didn't think my opinion of Corbyn could go any lower..but there you go.
I think the most important thing in British politics now is no longer Brexit but to keep this loon out of the government.
Long been the view the City, that.
We will get rid of Boris (but not now when polls suggest he'd annihilate us). Bah, humbug!
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Seriously.
The idiocy of this man absolutely astounds me.
The conclusion I never wanted to come to has been reached, to the point that it is without question. Corbyn doesn’t want a resolution. He wants to continue on keeping the country disrupted, watching jobs disappear, economic growth decline and and crime increase so he can try and convince the people that his hard left politics is the only way out. Otherwise why on earth would you release this video?!?? It’s mind blowing.
I am so glad tho, the country is seeing right through it. In public opinion, Labour would struggle to 100 seats in the Commons. And it’s all because of this man.
It's extraordinary. I can't believe how far to the left he has convinced his party to move - the private schools, the 32hr week, it's not just hard-left anymore its full blown socialism. The country would be completely destroyed under his command. Terrifying
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Was in London yesterday and the political shenanigans was being discussed with some old business fellas. Utterly gob-smacked by the difference in views/attitude to politicians to that of Cornwall or East Yorkshire (was there last week)
OK, not a scientific comparison, but a huge, huge difference between London and other parts of the country - way bigger divide than I ever though existed.
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@Victor-Meldrew could you elaborate?
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@Paekakboyz said in Brexit:
@Victor-Meldrew could you elaborate?
London folk generally thought it good that MPs were fighting against Brexit. Some just wanted it cancelled. Couldn't understand the reasons poorer regions like Cornwall voted to leave. Minimal understanding or empathy of the impact of cheap EU labour in areas outside of London. Lack of confidence in life outside of the EU.
Outside of London: Just get on with it, better that the UK run its own affairs, anger that what people voted for is being ignored, concerns about job losses from EU migration, strong sense of their concerns being looked down on or ignored.
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@Victor-Meldrew thanks mate, always interesting to hear from people in the ground.
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@Victor-Meldrew blimey.
That ain’t the London I work in.
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Senior execs from Insurance, banking software, outsourcing and mgmnt consulting plus a couple of of work colleagues after a few beers. Quite passionate views
As I said, not scientific and many be not too representative, But was struck by the wide difference in viewpoint.
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@Victor-Meldrew yeah I’m not denying it, I’m just amazed!
Couldn’t be more opposite where I work
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
yeah I’m not denying it, I’m just amazed!
So was I. Depth of division really struck me.
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Super interesting, I'm not surprised by that divide at all, I see it all the time living in rural Hertfordshire but commuting into London for work. That tweet someone posted above with a Londoner looking down on people from "Shitbury on the Wold" isn't satire in my experience, it's literally how it is. You cannot even suggest to most people from London that uncontrolled immigration in poorer parts of the UK might have negative consequences for local people. You are immediately a racist.
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You cannot even suggest to most people from London that uncontrolled immigration in poorer parts of the UK might have negative consequences for local people. You are immediately a racist.
Goes all the way to the top, sadly. Big disconnect which has caused huge problems.
When a voter told PM Gordon Brown that the 40% population increase in Peterborough from EU immigration was causing problems with school places, doctors etc, he called her "a bigoted old white women". Apparently Brown was shocked by the referendum result....
There's a really big divide - dunno how it's going to be bridged.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
Goes all the way to the top, sadly. Big disconnect which has caused huge problems.
This kind of pig ignorance to national sentiment and electoral arithmetic (from both sides at various times over the past 20 years) does seem a particularly British trait. People like Cummings/Crosby/Campbell are treated like witch doctors because they have access to polling numbers and use does seem somewhat naive.
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Yeah, there has been a change since the late 90's with politicians quite happy to spin, lie, smear opponents and put sections of the electorate against each other for political gain. So many current MPs have never had a proper job outside of politics, live in a tribal echo chamber and think their local activists are the electorate.
Read a piece the other day which argued Brexit is a blessing in that it's highlighted that the British political establishment just isn't fit for purpose and people finally know it.
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Reality in the UK is that London is a global services powerhouse, whilst the rest of the country is not. This naturally creates quite a divide between the thinking of the two different sets.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, as long as the political establishment work in synch, to do what is best for all.
Which is clearly what they have not been doing. There is lots of propaganda floating around at the moment - I've had Lib Dem's, Labour, UKIP and Tory flyers through my mailbox in the last 6 weeks. Last Saturday I had some old Irish bloke come around in a Conservatives info-gather and he asked me my thoughts on Boris.
He seemed annoyed when I said I liked Boris, but I said I had no interest in getting into a political debate with him. And this was the local Conservatives.
Go figure.
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