Grace Millane
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Does that matter??
I'll go you one further. Has any other prime minister been in power with a murdered tourist and social media being as powerful as it is now? How easy is it to influence world view with a bunch of tweets?
As I said I would have preferred she came out and say "NZ has serious domestic violence and child abuse problems on a whole.... " It absolutely sucks thats not happened but in my opinion in this age a level of damage control, trying to appear that we are a safer country than we are is necessary so that people continue to jump on planes to NZ.
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@raznomore said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Does that matter??
Well it does create a bit of a precedent. I accept that the world is hurtling ever faster towards a news frenzy outrage cycle, but the flip side to that is it's easily forgotten given the next item is a mere click away.
Given the last of them was in 2012, Twitter had existed for ~six years and had 100 million users posting 340 million tweets a day I can't see the need to apologise. Nor does it appeared to have impacted tourist numbers.
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@raznomore I think it is wrong the way she has said it.
Saying we are sorry this happened in NZ would have been ok, but reall,y all she needed to do was offer our sympathies and condolences, but an apology made in that way implies NZ as a country has done something wrong and this is what she is apologising for.
I have nothing to be sorry about, so why was the PM apologising on my behalf?
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@antipodean I dont think you can realistically compare 2012 twitter user statistics with the current social media atmosphere. Where(what medium) , what people post and how far reaching it has become kind of makes it a different planet, even if it is only 6 years later.
I do not want to detract from a very real issue and I am not particularly an Ardern stan. I just see merit, from a purely business point of view, in making a far reaching apology. Even if it is out of embarrasment rather than genuine sympathy.
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Apologising on behalf of all NZers is an absolutely absurd thing to do, not to mention the potential for compromising the case against this guy.
NZ is a safe country to travel too, there's no way this one isolated murder was ever going to hurt our tourism numbers. I personally don't know why the fuck Adern even felt compelled to comment at all. Well, apart from her narcissistic tendency to want to be seen as holier than thou all the bloody time.
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@raznomore As TR put it; sympathies and condolences, sure. But this?
“There is this overwhelming sense of hurt and shame that this has happened in our country, a place that prides itself on our hospitality, on our manaakitanga,” she said, using the Māori word for welcoming others.
“So on behalf of New Zealand, I want to apologise to Grace’s family – your daughter should have been safe here and she wasn’t, and I’m sorry for that.”
Asserting shame and an apology on behalf of the nation is gross overreach IMO.
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I'm gonna run out of upvotes at the amount of top quality posts about this.
So question for all ferners.....( except you sorry @Mokey ) but you'll get the drift.....
Since every fucken left wing feminist thinks the action of one guy means that the every NZ bloke hates women ( and there's been so many sanctimonious articles about this where the writer turns Grace Millanes plight into a story about themselves ) are we allowed to retort with the example of the bloke who died in a hit and run at the hands of a woman?
Of course not cos he was probably white and straight.....
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@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
@raznomore I think it is wrong the way she has said it.
Saying we are sorry this happened in NZ would have been ok, but reall,y all she needed to do was offer our sympathies and condolences, but an apology made in that way implies NZ as a country has done something wrong and this is what she is apologising for.
I have nothing to be sorry about, so why was the PM apologising on my behalf?
Word to this post TR.
With all due respect if I'm sorry for this murder I'd better be prepared for a lifetime of sitting at home being sorry for every subsequent murder that occurs between now and my death.
I'm gonna need some incredible time management skills to get quality time for every victim....
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Despite all NZ males toxic masculinity and allegedly seeing women as chattels not one poster has blamed the victim or criticised her for apparently meeting someone on tinder. Bizarre really.
Wasn't the last backpacker killed Birget Bauer from Germany? I didn't really pay too much attention to it at the time but the part that got to me was later one when her parents came to visit, they got the cops to show where they found her body and the detective in charge pulled out a hipflask of whiskey and him and her dad drank it together in silence. The detective was an older guy and you could see that just being out there with the parents while they took in the scene really affected him.
John Key didn't feel the need to apologise on the country's behalf or squeeze out tears on cue either. To be honest Arderns behaviour reminds me of the scene in Veep where Selinas mother was in a coma and her and her press team were discussing when to pull the plug to get the maximum bump in the polls or the longest lasting effect on them.
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I'm sorry if this question has already been asked, but if a male tourist had met a Kiwi lass who ended up killing him would PM Chompers have apologised on behalf of the nation? I doubt that she would have.
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@taniwharugby said in Grace Millane:
@raznomore I think it is wrong the way she has said it.
Saying we are sorry this happened in NZ would have been ok, but reall,y all she needed to do was offer our sympathies and condolences, but an apology made in that way implies NZ as a country has done something wrong and this is what she is apologising for.
I have nothing to be sorry about, so why was the PM apologising on my behalf?
I think you’re onto it TR. It’s worrying that she doesn’t understand the difference between embarrassment that this happened in the country she leads and responsibility for it. To make us all vicariously responsible is a stretch too far.
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@jk said in Grace Millane:
A mate of mine actually knows the guy and said he's crazy. Same mates female friend went out with him in October and ended up fearing for her safety following an incident. Cops were notified at the time.
Yeah used to live down this end of the country too , apparently he was doing quite well up until a few years ago . Looks like he might have developed a mental health issue .
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Attention overseas media, only Selina Ardern gets to exploit this tragedy for gain
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For all those criticising Ardern, I must say I'd normally be with you.
But what she has said has gone down very well over here. Very well. Some media folks have really praised her and a couple of my colleagues were saying how much they thought of what she had said.
NZ does have a multi billion dollar tourism industry, and part of Ardern's job is to protect that. Which in my view is something she has made a good effort of doing.
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@majorrage said in Grace Millane:
For all those criticising Ardern, I must say I'd normally be with you.
But what she has said has gone down very well over here. Very well. Some media folks have really praised her and a couple of my colleagues were saying how much they thought of what she had said.
NZ does have a multi billion dollar tourism industry, and part of Ardern's job is to protect that. Which in my view is something she has made a good effort of doing.
I don"t think knowing that if a nutter murders you that the pm will tear up and apologise on tv will do much either way for our tourism industry. I'm sure some media folks have praised most of them don"t seem to be able to do much else.
To me it just reeks of the sort of cheap political cynicism you'd expect from someone who got their grounding in politics working in the Blair administration .
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@majorrage said in Grace Millane:
For all those criticising Ardern, I must say I'd normally be with you.
But what she has said has gone down very well over here. Very well. Some media folks have really praised her and a couple of my colleagues were saying how much they thought of what she had said.
NZ does have a multi billion dollar tourism industry, and part of Ardern's job is to protect that. Which in my view is something she has made a good effort of doing.
You seriously think NZ's tourism industry was threatened by this?
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This "good for tourism and business" angle doesn't really wash with me
It suggests that by not grovelling to the world, tourism would (might) drop.
Bollocks.Nobody even thought twice about NZ being dangerous until this fucken bint starting spouting shit that apparently we fell asleep on watch.
People wealthy enough to holiday in NZ understand a nations responsibility for a lone nutter in their population, and anyone who doesn't wasn't coming here anyway, because stupid are often poor.
Adern's message may have been appropriate in private to the grieving parents, in fact it should have been just that, but oh no, a woke opportunity presented itself...
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@majorrage said in Grace Millane:
For all those criticising Ardern, I must say I'd normally be with you.
But what she has said has gone down very well over here. Very well. Some media folks have really praised her and a couple of my colleagues were saying how much they thought of what she had said.
NZ does have a multi billion dollar tourism industry, and part of Ardern's job is to protect that. Which in my view is something she has made a good effort of doing.
I don"t think knowing that if a nutter murders you that the pm will tear up and apologise on tv will do much either way for our tourism industry. I'm sure some media folks have praised most of them don"t seem to be able to do much else.
To me it just reeks of the sort of cheap political cynicism you'd expect from someone who got their grounding in politics working in the Blair administration .
And I'd normally be with you. Although I don't follow your comment about media not being able to do much else other than praise - quite the opposite on this land mass.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Grace Millane:
@majorrage said in Grace Millane:
For all those criticising Ardern, I must say I'd normally be with you.
But what she has said has gone down very well over here. Very well. Some media folks have really praised her and a couple of my colleagues were saying how much they thought of what she had said.
NZ does have a multi billion dollar tourism industry, and part of Ardern's job is to protect that. Which in my view is something she has made a good effort of doing.
You seriously think NZ's tourism industry was threatened by this?
Depends on how you define threatened. It certainly wasn't enhanced.
@siam said in Grace Millane:
This "good for tourism and business" angle doesn't really wash with me
It suggests that by not grovelling to the world, tourism would (might) drop.
Bollocks.Nobody even thought twice about NZ being dangerous until this fucken bint starting spouting shit that apparently we fell asleep on watch.
People wealthy enough to holiday in NZ understand a nations responsibility for a lone nutter in their population, and anyone who doesn't wasn't coming here anyway, because stupid are often poor.
Adern's message may have been appropriate in private to the grieving parents, in fact it should have been just that, but oh no, a woke opportunity presented itself...
I may be wrong but I'd imagine the people keen to holiday in NZ have to stump up 3-5 grand at minimum. That's pretty much top 10%
Thats cool, happy to agree to disagree. Normally I'd be in 100% agreeance with you, but the reaction I've faced here has been pretty positive, so this time I'm off a differing view.
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@MajorRage even if the tourism angle is relevant, which I really don't think it is, she has undermined the courts and potentially compromised the case which often leads to a reduced sentence. She is Prime Minster and should know better than to put her opinion forward on an ongoing investigation. But she just couldn't pass up an opportunity which @jegga aludes to.