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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
No more tv license?
Fuck.
Best value TV in the world.
£154.00 per year on threat of prosecution if you don't pay.
Netflix and equivalent optional subscriptions are roughly £108.00 per year and maybe don't appear to be propaganda to certain sections of British society.
I'd love to see viewing numbers vs salaries for some of their shows, I understand their news have dropped 1/3rd of viewers since 2012. https://www.statista.com/statistics/290866/bbc-news-viewers-reached-quarterly-uk/
I’d pay 154 pounds a time to watch Andrew Neil interview with John McDonnell right after the exit poll again.
I think that yougov did a poll where it found the same % of left and right thinkers thought the BBC was skewed to the other side. Which should tell you they get it about right.
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@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
Let the market decide based on media bias? That has worked well in the case of Murdoch.
Bias is perceived as much as being real. TV programmes are made by humans not some kind of balanced committee and you would certainly lose edge to shows without there being some kind of bias that created a viewpoint.
With the Beeb they generally report news/facts in an open manner and any in depth work is buyer beware to everyone.What the licence (or forced subscription) service does bring to broadcasting is a range and type of programme that would not be made otherwise whether that is quality drama or ground breaking comedy. They also become the archive of much of the nation's history both political and cultural. I would think it would be a big loss for that aspect alone to go.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
The market gave us clickbait journalism, The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men - I'm not sure I fully trust the market when it comes to media and television.
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I could be wrong but if the BBC subscription becomes optional, very much like Netflix for example, then the subscription take up and take down will be, essentially, the choice of individuals no?
I think it will represent the wishes of individuals and households who weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision from that. Just like deciding to subscribe to any entertainment package.
Not sure how externals like clickbait or Murdoch can contaminate this process.
I'd have thought this is an example of a pure market, with the outcomes reflecting the individual will of people.
If BBC provides value, people will reflect that and vice versa. At least we'll know the will of the people.
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@junior said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
The market gave us clickbait journalism, The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men - I'm not sure I fully trust the market when it comes to media and television.
Truly a historically bad show. Like unfathomably bad. Amazing the success that it had. Enough to destroy your faith in people.
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@Kirwan I must have it confused, again. I thought each individual tv owner gets to choose to subscribe or not, like Netflix.
Therefore if the BBC isn't attractive then it's the BBCs failure, not a majority decision or referendum or election type result. Ergo the stupidity of the masses (an arrogant, condescending and destructive view IMO) isn't up for debate - the BBC haven't catered to their market adequately
(I think I've got the crux of the future of the BBC discussion wrong...)
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@junior said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
The market gave us clickbait journalism, The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men - I'm not sure I fully trust the market when it comes to media and television.
To be fair the BBC launched the career of this
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Bones Fuck you Bones, now I have waking nightmares.
You missed out an 'n'.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Talk about taking an extreme as an example of the whole and getting it wrong.
This online channel runs like 'Community TV' providing the very people you mention an opportunity to not only air their views but as a model to provide work experience and opportunities in the industry to those that would not normally have such an avenue.
You may not agree with the content or find it 'not worthy' but the content is actually driven by whatever licence fee payers that want to contribute. Equal opportunity to get something back from the fee. -
@Rembrandt Yeah, because that's all the BBC does...
If we're going to stereotype all those poor working class people have got Eastenders that I pay for and don't watch.
Creating a spectrum of programmes that appeals to a range of people isn't the same as creating a number of programmes that appeal to everybody. The latter is impossible, but it's the standard you seem to be applying - i.e. if you can find something you don't approve of then the concept must be bad. A more balanced view is that programmes like The Social would NEVER get made in a commercial environment. Now I think that the person in the clip lives a life that is alien to me and the premise is superficial, but I can understand that to them it's important. Why can't they have access to tell their story?
There are a great many things that I've paid for through my taxes that I don't agree with and I don't get why this particular issue is such a hot-button one. Are you a poor working class UK licence fee payer?
Edit: Oh and by the way, UK commercial TV is ultimately ITV and Channel 5. If that's the dumb-as-fuck standard that we should aspire to count me out.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
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