Tennis
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<p>Not legally...</p>
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<p>All sports betting in India is illegal.</p>
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<p>This was discuused at length in the Cairns thread, but I suggest you read "Bookie, Gambler, Fixer, Spy".</p>
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<p>The image that you guys have of players bowling no balls to order (or serving up double faults) and some bookmaker or Gambler in India making money from that is crap. The way the western media report this stuff is just plain wrong. </p> -
<p>This isn't a new problem, and has been around the lower levels for a while now.</p>
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<p>Grantland (RIP) did this great article a while ago about betting in the Futures Leagues, really interesting stuff:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ '>http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ </a></p> -
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<p>All sports betting in India is illegal.</p>
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<p>This was discuused at length in the Cairns thread, but I suggest you read "Bookie, Gambler, Fixer, Spy".</p>
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<p>The image that you guys have of players bowling no balls to order (or serving up double faults) and some bookmaker or Gambler in India making money from that is crap. The way the western media report this stuff is just plain wrong. </p>
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<p>I keep meaning to track it down but have yet to order it...</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/652915.html'>http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/652915.html</a></p>
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<p>... Even when trying to confirm a genuine fix, Hawkins retains a healthy dose of scepticism when it comes to the biggest gamblers boasting about what they control. The <i>News of The World</i> <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/infocus/content/story/infocus.html?subject=44'>"no-ball" fix</a> was merely Mazhar Majeed trying to display his influence, it turns out - no bookmaker, even in India's illegal industry, takes bets on no-balls.</p>
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<p>Hawkins proves that cricket's corruption need not touch every single player, but that it does permeate many layers. Fixes exists, more in domestic games like county cricket and the IPL - too many matches, too many players. They mark a key step in the tug of war for inside information, and the advent of pre-scripted passages of play that move match odds in either the bookie's or the punter's favour, rather than only dictating the result of a game.</p>
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<p>Every cricket fan should read <i>Bookie Gambler Fixer Spy</i> to get a grasp of reality. Cricket is a game of much beauty but we must accept that it co-exists with what looks like an indestructible ugliness.</p>
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<p>Highly recommend it Donsteppa.</p>
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<p>it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. </p>
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<p>This isn't a new problem, and has been around the lower levels for a while now.</p>
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<p>Grantland (RIP) did this great article a while ago about betting in the Futures Leagues, really interesting stuff:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ '>http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ </a></p>
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<p>Highly recommend it Donsteppa.</p>
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<p>it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. </p>
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<p>Excellent read, thanks for posting</p>
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<p>My only concern is that it'll give me more detail on the specifics, but will do very little to change my existing fear along the lines that "Cricket is a game of much beauty but we must accept that it co-exists with what looks like an indestructible ugliness."</p> -
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My only concern is that it'll give me more detail on the specifics, but will do very little to change my existing fear along the lines that "Cricket is a game of much beauty but we must accept that it co-exists with what looks like an indestructible ugliness."</p></blockquote>
Nah its a more proactive antifixing environment now Don.<br><br>
The betting is still huge in India but the whole thing falls down if players don't subscribe and can't recruit other players.<br><br>
A valid reason to protect and not disadvantage whistleblowers. Not other guilty players, but the ones who get approached and turn it down.<br><br>
There'll never be a paper trail or real proof, only taped conversations or testimonies, as we saw in London last year -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="553106" data-time="1453084161">
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<p>All sports betting in India is illegal.</p>
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<p>This was discuused at length in the Cairns thread, but I suggest you read "Bookie, Gambler, Fixer, Spy".</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The image that you guys have of players bowling no balls to order (or serving up double faults) and some bookmaker or Gambler in India making money from that is crap. The way the western media report this stuff is just plain wrong. </p>
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<p>Will do Sammy, thanks.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="553111" data-time="1453085048"><p>Highly recommend it Donsteppa.<br><br>
it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. <br><br><br>
Excellent read, thanks for posting</p></blockquote>
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So if our understanding of how spot fixing works is wrong then Lou Vincents testimony was bullshit. He explicitly described scenarios along the lines of how we imagine it works (and how I expect tennis does) -
<p>TBH this would be the only way to make tennis worth watching.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="553138" data-time="1453092959">
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<p>So if our understanding of how spot fixing works is wrong then Lou Vincents testimony was bullshit. He explicitly described scenarios along the lines of how we imagine it works (and how I expect tennis does)</p>
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<p>You very much USED to be able to bet on things like no balls in first over, runs between over 10-15 etc, till everyone realised how easy that was to fix - and was fixed. Go back to the 90's that was a viable bet. Not any more.</p> -
<p>The analysis used in the investigation is detailed here:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://github.com/BuzzFeedNews/2016-01-tennis-betting-analysis'>https://github.com/BuzzFeedNews/2016-01-tennis-betting-analysis</a></p> -
I see Nadal suspiciously lost his opening match of the Australian open...
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="553350" data-time="1453226161"><p>The last three posts are again what make me loathe match/spot fixers so much - we go from random things being "the joys of sport" to being possibly suspicious (even in jest).</p></blockquote>
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It's like every time Pakistan lose a cricket match, either a game they should have gone on to win ( shelling easy catches, batsmen throwing away their wicket) or a truly poor performance against a lower side they should always beat. It's Pakistan they do fall apart for legitimate reasons sometimes, but we will always suspect they are on the take.
